cross-posted from: https://news.abolish.capital/post/18266
Federal immigration enforcement agents on Wednesday swarmed a high school in Minneapolis, where footage and photographs showed them handcuffing school staff members and firing chemical irritants at students.
According to a report from KSTP 5 Eyewitness News, the agents descended upon Roosevelt High School on Wednesday afternoon, mere hours after an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officer fatally shot 37-year-old Minneapolis resident Renee Nicole Good.
A witness who watched the raid described seeing administrators and staff trying to get the agents away from the building to stop them from apprehending students.
The witness also said that the agents began deploying pepper spray after some students started protesting against their presence on school property.
A Roosevelt High School official confirmed to MPR News that agents wearing US Border Patrol uniforms pepper sprayed students, while also firing pepper balls at them.
Video footage taken from the scene shows agents deploying chemical irritants at demonstrators.
An official from Roosevelt High School in Minneapolis told MPR News that armed U.S. Border Patrol officers came onto school property during dismissal Wednesday and began tackling people; they handcuffed two staff members and released chemical weapons on bystanders. pic.twitter.com/171JUUfew8
— CAIN (@XTechPulse) January 8, 2026The school official also told MPR News that the agents handcuffed two staff members at the school, and they described getting into a physical confrontation with an agent as they were trying to tell them to leave school property.
"The guy, I’m telling him like, ‘Please step off the school grounds,’ and this dude comes up and bumps into me and then tells me that I pushed him, and he’s trying to push me, and he knocked me down,” the official said. "They don’t care. They’re just animals. I’ve never seen people behave like this.”
Meanwhile near where they killed Renee Good ICE was terrorizing a high school — and now Minneapolis has canceled school for the week.
None of this is about safety. A lawless regime with no guardrails. pic.twitter.com/H8l2nXn2FQ
— The Tennessee Holler (@TheTNHoller) January 8, 2026In the wake of the raid on the high school, Minneapolis Public Schools announced that it would be canceling all classes for the rest of the week “out of an abundance of caution,” citing “safety concerns” for faculty and students.
Celia Mejia, a Minneapolis woman whose daughter attends the Green Central Elementary School in the southern part of the city, told KSTP 5 Eyewitness News that she had to pick up her daughter on Wednesday after the school went on lockdown after federal immigration agents were spotted in the area.
“That was way too close to school to feel comfortable,” Mejia said.
Julia Haas, another local resident who picked up her child at the elementary school after it went into lockdown, told KSTP 5 Eyewitness News that she was “very” frightened by the ordeal.
“Nobody should have to deal with this ever,” Haas emphasized.
The reasons for the raid on the high school were unclear, and the US Department of Homeland Security did not respond to KSTP Eyewitness 5 News’ or MPR News’ requests for comment.
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the school went on lockdown after federal agents were spotted in the area
I just want to call attention to the fact that this is where we are as a country. The mere presence of federal employees is causing schools to go into lockdown.
If that’s not a clear indication that things are broken, I don’t know what is.
Half the country loves this btw.
This cant be overstated enough. 70 million people absolutely love what’s happening.
Thats alot of pieces of shit.
Need a COVID for conservatives
It killed lots of them, but it had weakened by the time it spread to the rural states so it didn’t kill as quickly as the first wave in the big cities.
We need to make it extremely unpleasant for those people
My male gamete donor is drooling with delight.
Fear has no place in school. Oh, this is America. Nevermind.
“They don’t care. They’re just animals. I’ve never seen people behave like this.
You know it’s fucking dire if someone that works at a school says that.
Fox has amped them up for the last 16 years.
I wish I could agree with you, but when I worked at a campus, I heard teachers make similar remarks about children of color.
“They care about teaching and keep the kids safe,” were among the reasons why these teachers should get to keep their jobs.
I’d think that silently forcing a child to accept their fate due to systemic racism due to your biases would be considered an act of aggression, but apparently I was at fault for reporting this behavior.
Okay, but they’re not saying that about a child of color. They’re saying it about DHS coming in and throwing people to the ground. I’m sorry that happened to you, but it’s not really relevant.
Huh, there seems to be a resounding “fuck you” to my previous comment. I think I may have either read too deep into your original comment, or I’m missing something that’s implied.
I read your comment as, “teachers are practically Mr. Rogers and it speaks volumes that they’d disparage anyone.” Did I misunderstand?
I believe it’s meant to be read as “teachers are observing ice behaving worse than even the most irreverent highschoolers”. Correct me if I’m wrong and I’ll delete this
That’s also what I read it as
They’re going to schools because it’s a safe assumption no one has a gun.
They want easy victims, and too many people still don’t understand what the phrase “stay dangerous” ever meant.
That is never a safe assumption in US schools
Yep, I also have a feeling they are singling out weak targets to appear strong, nationally and internationally: blackmail Ukraine, plan luxury resorts in Gaza, kill unarmed people unprovoked, kidnap the head of one of the weakest states on earth, threaten a starving country (Cuba), defund universities and humanitarian organizations.
They can be seen kneeling when Putin offers a shoe to polish and when they have to play the victim of hostile trade.
Sorry for going on a tangent. The frustration is real.
For all the larpers here demanding violent response, here’s the link to Judge Karen Immergut’s final decision of November 7, 2025 kicking the National Guard out of Portland, Oregon.
https://www.opb.org/pdf/FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW_1762564569662.pdf
You don’t have to read the whole thing. In fact, you don’t have to read more than the first (long) paragraph to understand that the courts are still largely defending the Constitution, and that it was the lack of violent response to Trump’s provocations that caused her to rule against keeping the National Guard in Portland. I’ve added line breaks, but this is the first paragraph:
On September 27, 2025, the President of the United States federalized 200 members of the Oregon National Guard over the objection of Oregon’s governor and deployed them to a single federal building in Portland, Oregon. In the ensuing days, the President ordered the deployment of 400 federalized members of the Texas and California National Guards, all to the same federal building in Oregon. The mission of these deployments of military troops was ostensibly to quell violent protests outside the one-block Immigration and Customs Enforcement (“ICE”) building in Portland.
But after a three-day trial that included the testimony of federal, state, and local law enforcement officials and hundreds of exhibits describing protest activity outside the Portland ICE building, the evidence demonstrates that these deployments, which were objected to by Oregon’s governor and not requested by the federal officials in charge of protection of the ICE building, exceeded the President’s authority.
While violent protests did occur in June, they quickly abated due to the efforts of civil law enforcement officers. And since that brief span of a few days in June, the protests outside the Portland ICE facility have been predominately peaceful, with only isolated and sporadic instances of relatively low-level violence, largely between protesters and counter-protesters.
When considering these conditions that persisted for months before the President’s federalization of the National Guard, this Court concludes that even giving great deference to the President’s determination, the President did not have a lawful basis to federalize the National Guard under 10 U.S.C. § 12406. (emphases and line breaks added by me)
And then, specifically BECAUSE of the non-violent response of Portland, in every successive paragraph Judge Immergut labeled the order to move the National Guard into Portland UNLAWFUL.
A violent response is NOT the answer at this point in time. I guarantee we will ALL know when it is. Save your shot.
In the meantime, my fellow countrymen, beware of larpers who don’t even live in the US, much less in Minneapolis, trying to whip up rage and get people to fight. It’s not their blood that will be shed, not their families destroyed, not the last shreds of their democracy thrown into the cesspit of an impotent orange excrescence’s lust for power and unending greed: it will be our own.
If you’re here to say you think people should fight, all you’re really telling me is that you’ve never had to fight, you don’t know how it works, you won’t be the one to pay the price in your own blood, AND you want Trump to consolidate his power even faster than he already is by giving him reason to occupy cities with the National Guard, declare martial law, and avoid having midterm elections. Think twice.
In the meantime, my fellow countrymen, beware of larpers who don’t even live in the US, much less in Minneapolis, trying to whip up rage and get people to fight.
This bears repeating. I’ve seen it in every political thread here on lemmy.world for the last year. Every, single, time, some troll crashes into the thread and promotes escalation and violence. And every time someone takes the bait and gets into an argument, swamping half the visible comment area, effectively pushing out any sane discourse about a smarter way to deal with this. It’s hard to see it happen with such regularity and not imagine this to be calculated and deliberate.
To this I say: let’s treat our political forum spaces like a protest. Stay civil. Call out provocateurs but don’t engage directly. Downvote and report to admins. Freeze these trolls out of the conversation, and let’s keep putting our heads together.
Thank you for saying this. I do not believe any of them are posting in good faith, and when challenged rely on logical fallacies and emotionally charged non-factual or barely factual statements.
They’re here solely to inflame and incite. No other conclusion left to draw.
It might depend on how we define “good faith”, but I think some of them are probably posting in good faith — though good intentions don’t negate the harm they do, of course. I get the sense that some of the people trying to incite violent action are feeling overwhelmed and powerless due to being so far away from what is happening. I say this as someone who isn’t an American, and thus can only spectate with horror as American politics continues going to hell, with ripple effects on the rest of the world.
It’s easy to rile people up when it’s not your neck on the line though. However uncomfortable it is to be spectating what’s happening in the US, you guys have it much worse. It would be nice to imagine that this is the kind of thing that could be solved through one, big push of violent resistance, but with how deep MAGA cronies have gotten their talons into US politics, resistance will necessarily require thinking of the long game. Violent resistance, when deployed unwisely, can end up serving the ends of the oppressor.
I get the sense that some of the people trying to incite violent action are feeling overwhelmed and powerless due to being so far away from what is happening.
I agree with this, and it shames me that my own humanity is dulled enough by constant challenges to consider it secondary. But a core part of what us anti-fascists actually tend to agree about is that words matter. I’d take it a step further and say that en masse we are individually creating change whether for better or worse, whether we acknowledge we have that power or not.
So when we incite others, we are making the problem bigger even in spite of ourselves, even as much as we claim to want the opposite (a return to sane leadership and at least superficially courteous discourse).
And that’s beyond the obvious logistics: these people arguing for violent resistance never say where or when or how they’d like others to fight, but those of us who have actually been to protests that got heated know it’s not that simple. Agents provocateurs are everywhere, because they want it to get violent, the administration wants to be able to run headlines that paint resistors as disgruntled agitators and hoodlums and troublemakers, not your neighbor or your coworker or your boss. Anything to dehumanize and label “the other”, and violent protests deliver us all up to that end. As soon as we are labeled, we cease to matter.
Compounding this problem, Americans have been firehosed with propaganda and mass manipulation from every direction for over a decade now, including mainstream media. The atmosphere here now is much what I have read of pre-WWII Germany: tight, cautious, foreboding, grim. And angry. Extremely angry. So when I see people who want to light a match to it, it’s almost impossible for me to see that as an act of good faith.
In the meantime, for all the media focus on this unconscionable murder of a citizen just trying to get home (apparently she was shot on the same street she lived) the existing cracks in the administration’s attempts to consolidate power are widening. I’d point you to Heather Cox Richardson, who mentioned in her chat today what the media is downplaying: that the Dems finally pushed through a vote on the healthcare subsidies today, and they got it through on a discharge petition because over a dozen Republicans voted for it in spite of Trump’s threats and Mike Johnson’s best efforts to keep it from a vote.
The House is also set to overturn two Trump vetoes (one of which is a Trump revenge veto against Lauren Boebert of Colorado for standing firm on the Epstein files).EDITED to add that they failed to overturn the vetoes, but did get a War Powers Act resolution up for a vote through the Senate, meaning that they will vote on whether further action in Venezuela has to be approved by Congress. This was aided by five Republicans who voted with the Dems.All of that is a big deal. This complicit Congress, without whom Trump would have nothing, are now working across the aisle on multiple issues in spite of him. Even Minnesota is standing firm and telling the feds that the ICE thug who shot Ms. Good can in fact be charged with murder by the state, and there’s really nothing the feds can do about it. The Supreme Court can only rule on what comes before it; meanwhile, lower courts are overturning his efforts right and left.
In short, he is losing power faster than he can consolidate it, and when it comes right down to it, his goons shot a woman whose only crime was trying to get home from dropping her son off at school. When American beliefs have shifted away from a prevailing wind, it has often been because of a victim like Ms. Good that we can all relate to. Again, the firehose of lies is flooding the media with their alternative narrative, but those videos are circulating faster than they can be shut down – and even the videos only exist because sane individuals were out there blowing whistles to let their neighbors know that ICE was there to begin with. That’s where real change happens, and where true power lies: with the individual.
So yeah. I can’t tell you how bad it is here right now: it is beyond anything I have ever experienced. But resistance is popping up everywhere, and outside of the roughly 20%-25% that are always going to support authoritarian rule in any society, there is no real support for him. That’s another reason why I’d tell people here to incite violence to knock it off: they could actually be part of the growing resistance if they let go of the rage and think about what’s next. Wisdom and rage rarely accomplish the same thing, and we’ve only just started to fight back. Anyone who wants to fight in the street will likely have their opportunity to do so, unfortunately. But right now it will only fuel the oppressor.
Thank you for your courteous reply; I was kind of shocked to see it, honestly. I appreciate it, more than you know.
I just tell the trolls to address the rising right wing threat in their own country, because wherever they’re from, it’s happening there, too.
So what’s the line in your mind? When do we fight? They are actively destroying families and people’s lives across this country every minute because they don’t think laws or standards of basic morality apply to them. They are literally murdering American citizens who dare to stand in their way.
The president and his party are funding a private army that has a bigger budget than most nations. Guess what they are doing with it? Buying guns and surveillance equipment. Can you guess why?
Look across the world. Look at history. Americans need to stop believing that we are something special and that fascism can’t happen to us. It can. It is. Wake up.
They’re bullies. There is only one way to stop a bully, and it’s not by sitting on the sidelines and hoping they stop on their own.
With all do respect, you sound incredibly naive. We aren’t entitled to the freedoms we have enjoyed for most of our respective lives. If anything, this post-WWII period is an anamoly of human history. Freedom and autonomy come at a cost and, unfortunately, sometimes that cost is blood.
EDITED TO ADD: This is a 22-hour old account, whose only content is the above comment containing a misguided pastiche of current and historical points designed to produce an emotional response. This is exactly the kind of larper Americans need to be aware of.
Sometimes? No, always. The cost is ALWAYS blood. People have ALREADY died. It’s you who are naive.
I just posted the court order: BECAUSE Portland did not resist violently, the National Guard is no longer there.
Getting violent because someone is trying to get you to become violent is the most stupid thing you can do.
It’s not hard to run on rage. What’s infinitely more difficult is to suppress the rage until you know your enraged actions will have the maximum benefit. Right now, non-violence is having the maximum benefit.
It helps to have enough education to know that the last five minutes of world history are not the only ones that matter, and if you can’t stretch that far, tell me what got the British out of India after hundreds of years of brutal repression and subsequent uprisings.
History is NOT on your side. If you REALLY want to make a difference, then stop. Learn your enemy. Wait. Then act.
Hell, that’s what your enemy did. They built Cop City in Atlanta just for this time. You don’t have shit.
And son, we ALREADY know we have fascists on our streets. The only ones who don’t know are the ones sticking their fingers in their ears going la la la la la la doing everything in their power to avoid knowing.
You avoided the primary question - what’s the line them? It honestly doesn’t even really matter, since the whole premise of your post is that there is a line and that you eventually have to strike and use force. Our only disagreement is where that line actually is.
Besides, acting like Portland was some grand victory is just silly. OK - the national guard is out of Portland for the moment. They just moved on to their next target. They flood the zone and move fast so the legal system can’t keep up. The damage was already done and they just moved to sow chaos in a new location with a different militarized force. What a win.
Peaceful protests are an important tool to the fight, but these people only fear consequences. Physical, emotional, reputational or financial harm. It’s a multi-faceted fight, but that’s what it is - a fight. If they think they can best you through physical force alone, that’s what they will do. You can’t let them think that. You need a stick to respond in kind with.
Maybe you should read up on the Hindustan Socialist Republican Association or the Indian National Army. They both played major roles in Indian independence. Ghandi is a great story, but guess who he had as a counter balance? The stick.
And that’s just a lie. The legal system IS keeping up. The National Guard is NOT being redeployed. Hell, the NG isn’t even in Menneapolis, though Gov. Walz has put it on standby as is his prerogative as governor.
Ghandi is a great story, but guess who he had as a counter balance? The stick.
Then you should go back and reread that story, because “the stick” was hundreds of years worth of the British coming down on Indians with absolute brutality, the Indians rising up again with massive brutality of their own, and then the British coming back across with escalations like Amritsar.
What got the British their asses handed to them after hundreds of years of this bloody back and forth was a line of non-violent protesters who simply went to the beach to make salt. Thousands of them. Who at the end of their march walked straight into billy clubs without ever raising a hand or a stick.
You literally do not know the history you to seek to (mis)represent here. Hundreds of years of what you propose did nothing; it only secured the British power more firmly than ever. And it’s not just India; we have some semblance of civil rights here because of Martin Luther King, Jr. doing the same thing.
The line of violence is not for you to propose to others. It is for you to choose for yourself, and stop trying to get others to bleed in your stead.
I mostly don’t disagree with you but it seems the executive branch has moved on from deploying the national guard to instigate violence and instead is just outright committing acts of violence on its own. Will the legal system keep up with that? -I don’t know for certain but I’d put a fiver on these agents never sitting opposite of a prosecutor in a courtroom.
it seems the executive branch has moved on from deploying the national guard to instigate violence and instead is just outright committing acts of violence on its own.
You’re not wrong. That’s exactly what they are doing. But they are doing it out of desperation: if they get us to the midterms and states (all voting in the US is regulated by the states, not the feds) have elections, this administration becomes powerless and Trump is in the same danger he was in prior to regaining office, but now with a pissed off nation that wants him gone.
For myself, it’s too soon to tell whether this administration will succeed in overthrowing the legitimate government and substituting its own form of fascist authoritarianism. This is in progress; it is anything but complete. Plus, states have their own authority as well, and today, the Minnesota AG told the feds that the goon who shot Ms. Good can be prosecuted for murder by the state. So it may not be up to the feds after all. I guess we’ll see.
What a fantasy land you are living in.
Even if you were right about the legal system keeping up (you’re not), it is failing so hard is other ways, it doesn’t even matter. Do you remember Citizens United where the Supreme Court allowed endless and unchecked amounts of money to flood our political system accelerating us down this path of division? How about SC giving our president complete immunity to do whatever he wants in office? Or the Trump appointed judge that intentionally derailed his prosecutions so no one could hold him accountable? Or how about the SC justice that retired early so his son could get a cushy job in return for Trump being able to appoint another justice? That legal system? Yea, it’s functioning great. A real bulwark there.
Secondly, you really believe that was this one series of peaceful protests the ONLY and driving factor behind Indian independence? Not the fact that the British had a failing empire and needed funds to rebuild after WWII? How about the fact that they had their hands full in the middle east and China at the same time? Or that they no longer had the forces, resources or will to contunue to fight the armed resistance in the country? Chalking up a remarkably complex series of events and outcomes to a single factor shows how little you understand about the world.
No one is asking anyone to bleed for anyone. I just don’t have blinders on and can see what is coming. I also have a deep enough understanding of history to understand how freedom is obtained and maintained. Sorry that offends you, but it really seems like a personal problem. Have fun with that.
The difference here is that none of what you are writing about is currently relevant: successful non-violent protest is.
Instead of addressing that, and absolutely avoiding the actual court order I posted with all your larping might, you’re diving into the weeds of how we got here, like Citizen’s United has anything DIRECTLY to do with choosing as an individual to hold your ground, think it out, and choose your own arena in which to most effectively fight.
As to the rest, I think what I think because many more educated and reasoned individuals than yourself have already researched the strategy of non-violence in topping unwanted regimes. I don’t need a misguided larper to rewrite history for me; I’ve already studied it, and many better than yourself have offered studied, intelligent analyses of both positions.
There’s a reason non-violence works, and a reason why you keep posting in defense of violence, while accusing me of non-specifics even as you pointedly ignore your own.
If you wanna get out on the streets and fight ICE, no one is stopping you. But I note you’re not. You’re posting here to incite others to do it for you.
Comical edit. Can’t actually respond with substance, so you try to misstate the position you cannot rebut and undermine it will a silly ad hominem attack because I haven’t used a forum for as long as you. Classic.
Let’s be clear - I wish the world didn’t work the way it does, but you can’t argue with millenia of human history. Even your own examples of idealisn were so paper thin, they couldn’t stand 5 minutes of scrutiny. I would honestly love to live in a world where reason and intellect were sufficient to win the day. Unfortunately, whenever we start down that path, it always seems to get blown up by bad actors that would rather see the world burn than lose power. Burying your head in the sand about reality doesn’t help anyone.
Bad actors are in charge. They have no respect to our current system or the people in it, and they are actively trying to destroy it for their own personal gain. We can either let them, or we can do something about. If seeing and understanding the magnitude of our current situation makes me a “larper”, so be it. I’d rather be that than whatever you are, or are pretending to be.
Good luck to you out there. Sounds like you are going to need it.
I did respond with substance; you chose to reply to a different comment. You are the one without substance: all general urgings toward violence – “We can either let them, or we can do something about [it]” – but nothing specific. I referred to very specific points in history, and when and why they worked, while you blew right past that to be able to remain in your generalities.
But what I’d really like you to explain, which you cannot and never will, is how and why it is a winning measure to respond to provocation with violence when your violent response is exactly what they want, and will absolutely be used to cement their power further.
I just posted the court order that literally says the National Guard were posted to Portland, Oregon to quell existing violence. They got kicked out based on the fact there was no violence.
Your answer to this is to call others, not yourself, to unspecified violence.
So I’d say we’re not on the same team, regardless of what you write or how old your account (or you) are, because what you propose will only set cities on fire and cement this administration’s hold on power. As actual history shows.
I’ve come to the conclusion that you’re just writing because you already know this crew is drowning under the weight of their own unpopularity, and you are terrified they will get thrown out before they really get cemented in. Or like some others, you really do want to see American cities burn. Or like even others, you’re terrified because you left your regional and national security to the US for far too long and never took action to secure yourselves against the neighbor in your own backyard (Putin).
Whatever you’re writing to prove, you’ve failed. And yeah, your 22-hour old account is kind of a dead giveaway that this isn’t your battle to fight – or rather, to get others to fight for you.
How many base commanders with troops who have undying loyalty to them and the constitution do you got in your pocket?
Zero. Your point?
What’s your fuckin’ point? You want people to start pouring into the streets with AR15’s, hand guns, and pipe bombs and do what, start attacking ICE facilities around the country? Besides the fact that it’s incredibly stupid and it would just be seen as wonton violence by a majority of the population, and that such a movement would immediately be crushed by people who are just fucking itching for a fight, you can’t have a revolution without the backing of a significant portion of the military. Things are bad, but they’re not that bad yet. Once economic disparity reaches a critical mass and people start getting Great Depression levels of pissed off, like food riots level pissed off, and we’re not far from that, if Trump starts using the military or ICE to put down citizens en masse, then you’ll start to see conditions that develop into the type of thing you’re talking about. Until then, and probably especially then, because the secret police will black bag you, it’s probably best to not make vague and ill considered overtures for violence in the streets.
Well said.
this is the argument that caused people to permit the Nazis.
So what specific violence do you recommend? Against whom? Where? When? Based on which historical precedent (pick just one)?
Because you’re both very light on specifics. “[T]his is the argument that caused people to permit the Nazis” is a statement made of smoke.
Ah yes, because if people shot Nazis the Nazis would have taken their ball and gone home.
I don’t know where else to ask this question…or even if I’m formulating this question properly in my rage.
Violence in the streets seems to be inevitable to me at this point with the recent revelation that Minnesota will not be allowed to perform a state-level investigation in to Renee Nicole Good’s death. The sheer audacity of the injustice, the inhumanity before, during and after this event, the clear and shameless lying. Now, they are attacking your children. If Americans take this lying down then there truly is no Rubicon, so at this point I’m practically hoping for violence, because how many more dead would the alternative bring? That feels wrong to me, but if no one stands up for these victims, then obviously their number will rise exponentially. But that’s not my question.
My question is, when this thing explodes and the violence breaks out. When Trump and his goons do the only thing their limited minds can think of and try to “crack down”. When it all goes to fucking shit… then what? Line up on sides like a dodgeball team and States start rebelling like it’s 150 years ago? Isolated city-states locked out from Federal support and interference? Trump declares himself President for Life?
It’s not weird that those resisting fascism have no solid plan, this is being thrust upon them. It might have been predictable but I can’t blame people for not really believing it until folks started dying. But it seems weird that the instigators of this fucking circus don’t even seem to be able to tell me what their fucking goal is. Do they honestly think they can create a brutal Christofascist ethno-state out of modern America? That no one will stop them, just because no one has killed them yet? And more insanely, if they do succeed, do they think they’ll all live through that attempt?
You are missing the key piece of information here:
The instigators of this are TRYING to harm the United States. They do not have a vision of a better country at the end of this. They are enemies of the nation and a chaotic mess is exactly what they want to see happen. Its not SUPPOSED to work. A dysfunctional country IS the goal.
There will not be battle lines.
Take a look back at the “Troubles” in Northern Ireland to get more of a sense of what a modern civil war would look like. You can also look at the insurgencies in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, though obviously those countries are much different from the US than the UK is.
Myanmar comes to mind as a worst-case scenario, too. They’ve been fighting since the pandemic and it’s basically in every direction, everywhere.
Preventive maintenance is always better than repairs…
If there’s a group of 100 protestors and 10 of them have rifles and plate carriers, all of a sudden de-escalation can become a common goal.
If the same side is always the only one with guns, and they face no legal consequences from escalating to violence…
They’re gonna keep doing it.
It sounds counter-intuitive, but there’s a reason ICE isn’t going after actual cartels and drug smugglers. They’re picking the easiest targets, so now is the time for everyone to stop being an easy target while we’re still legally allowed to buy this shit. Being visible armed is the only way to make cops want to de-escalate. If not, they’re trained to “press the advantage” and keep you panicked, which doesn’t work at all, but makes them feel tough.
Eventually Trump’s gonna stop letting people buy guns, if you think an armed populace will ever be necessary, now’s the time to get a kit together.
Just one person being armed won’t deter them. There’s a reason the 2A specifies “well organized militia” It is your right to gather together with other armed citizens and use violence to defend your communities.
I’ve never seen a video of a cop shooting a protester while another protester is in the area with a rifle…
Can you show me a single example of me being wrong?
Because it’s logically impossible for anyone to prove the opposite, I’d have to show you ever video of American law enforcement shooting someone…
How about shooting an innocent bystander and the armed protester while he was carrying a rifle.
They would have thought twice about shooting Arturo if he had a dozen armed friends nearby, I’d wager.
Arturo Gamboa, the man shot in June while openly carrying a rifle at Salt Lake City’s No Kings protest… Looking to confront Gamboa for his AR-15-style firearm, a safety volunteer fired three shots. Two struck him, and another killed an innocent bystander… When asked about his actions that day, Gamboa said he was “peacefully protesting, utilizing my First and Second Amendment rights under the Constitution.”…
When it all goes to fucking shit… then what? Line up on sides like a dodgeball team and States start rebelling like it’s 150 years ago? Isolated city-states locked out from Federal support and interference? Trump declares himself President for Life?
It likely depends on what the actual circumstances of the violence is and the various responses from other government agencies.
In other fascist government takeovers the key differentiator is the role/reaction of the military. Does the military support the fascist leader or does it oppose them? In 1922 Mussolini had full control and loyalty from the military while the government did not. Alternatively, while not in 2013 President of Egypt Mohamed Morsi, which had was facing protests by the populous for his actions was deposed by the military in what their opponents label a coup. In the 1930s in the USA, there was a fascist group called German American Bund. These were the American Nazi party you may have heard of of which famous pilot Charles Linbergh was a member of. There were supposed plans to execute a fascist takeover of the USA deposing FDR. The military stepped up protection of FDR, so we can infer that FDR had the support the military. German American Bund was investigated, many arrested, and it was dissolved.
So in your theoretical, which way does the US military go?
Look up “Bleeding Kansas” and “bushwhacking”.
That, except with pipe bombs, rented trucks, and ubiquitous modern firearms. It could get very ugly. I don’t know what kind of appetite either side has for that long term.
Congress and the senate could stipnthis tomorrow. A serious, fucused pressure campaign on republicans would flip this script. Right now trump takes all the heat, and he doesnt cate becuase hes a moron and just doesnt care.
the house and the senate get to just ignore all of this. no one ever mentions them, like they have a free pass or something.
We should be following these people, their assistants, and their spouses 24/7 365 until they impeach this shitstain.
We can not allow them off the hook beacuse “republicans wont impeach”, thats bullshit. they are just humans, and they will break like anyone else.
This is what it looks like when fascism is in the midst of overthrowing a country. And old-school democracy has very few defences against these tactics.
Passivism does allow for self defence and, in many cases, the defence of others.
They’re trying to provoke us out in the open. They’ve been trying to normalise violence against us (and have become alarmingly effective).
A few people have commented places where this has happened before; where government has been captured by the far right. Historians have identified key moments where a different action or approach had a high chance of changing the outcome. If we look at current events temporaly through the lens of those key moments, we can be far, far better informed.
I know some people have been doing that.
eta: We’re running Democracy2.0, and many more versions have been developed in the past 200 years. We’re driving a constitution designed to be transported by carriage. It’s incompatible with our recent technology.
You don’t need any context to understand this is very simple. When you are being surrounded by rouge, angry, armed men with assault weapons, RUN FOR YOUR LIFE.
Mrs. Good tried to run away, but they wouldn’t let her and killed her in cold blood in front of her community to make a point. That ICE agent Jonathan Ross MUST be charged for this murder, otherwise they will continue to murder innocent people more and more.
If you run they will murder you dude. I think this is bad advice to give honestly… You even mention the killing of someone who tried to run.
You’re better off sorting it out with your lawyer later and trying to sue. Finances is all the government cares about so if you start chipping away at that maybe then shit will change.
sorting it out with your lawyer later
Youre assuming these ass bags abide by due process, and youll ever see a lawyer
I’m not sure this is a great solution either. People are getting picked up by ICE and disappeared. Hard to fight it with a lawyer when you’re isolated in a hole somewhere in Africa or South America.
Indeed, and non-citizens aren’t entitled to due process, apparently. And I can’t imagine how many citizens must’ve been deported due to being denied the opportunity to show that they are citizens. Lawyers have been finding it super difficult to stay in contact with the clients even when they’re being held in detention in the US. It’s fucking terrifying
The behaviour of ice and the dhs fits the definition of terrorism: “the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims”. State terrorism is still terrorism.
Nazi Germany prior to the Reichstag fire was kinda like the usa now: thugs on the street harassing civilians of chosen outgroups without consequences, but the government was still ostensibly obeying laws and not yet mass disappearing people. I think usa republicans aren’t ready yet to have their Reichstag fire moment, but it just seems like a matter of time. Their expansion of ice seems pretty much unopposed & their take over of government agencies + army/navy appears to be progressing steadily as well.
I was initially against arming teachers but maybe they should start doing that to protect students from the gestapo.
I’ve met many teachers who definitely shouldn’t be armed around students.
America is definitively passed their point of no return. I personally like many think that was a long time ago but there are still people out there who cannot internalize it. They’re in denial.
The world is trying to tell you guys this. Yes, you will have to put your body on the line. You will miss work. You will miss your bills. You’ve already lost so much. You will lose more. It’s a foregone conclusion. The question is what can you salvage at the point.
No, telling the rest of us to put our own bodies on the line will not change your situation. Ukrainians have no choice but to fight their oppressor. Gazans have no choice but to fight for their lives. America is no exception. You’ve slid into fascism. You have to fight for your freedom now.
You never were the exception. This mentality has been your undoing. The system isn’t fixing itself because of some higher innate quality of being American. You have proven this yourselves. You tried voting. It didn’t work. You tried protesting. It didn’t work. You tried your systems of checks and balances. They’ve all been torn the shreds.
You will fight like the rest of the world fights for their freedom. The idea of American peace, liberty, and justice for all was a fun fantasy while it lasted. Your own weapons of oppression are pointed at you. It’s time to wake up to reality now. This is the America that the rest of the world knows.
Maybe now Americans will understand those around world didn’t hate you because you were better. They hate you because of the very oppression you now face yourselves.
This is too fucking much. Jail is too good for ICE agents. Fucking Nazi Scum
Nuremberg is the compromise position
Shitler’s Gestapo terrorizing kids. On brand for the kiddie rapist cult
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I remember was just in highschool like during the first trump admin…
This is beyond cooked. My grades was already has Cs and Ds, if this shit happened when I was in highschool, this is just guranteeing that I get all Fs. I’d be too scared to go to school as an immigrant (legal btw).
What the fuck.
The irony is that in a lot of states you’d be reported to the police for truancy and missing too much school. -Yet another way to put a target on your back.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
It’s like showing up to immigration court.
If you don’t, that’s illegal.
But if you do, ICE shows up anyways.
My grades was already has Cs and Ds.
You dont say?
Yes, depression and fucking household issues. So much fucking yelling in the house.
I not exactly in a good mood right now so I don’t bother to use proper grammer.
I’m dreading a Chinese Exclusion Act 2.0 and also busy helping with family stuff… and I get yelled at a lot by my parents because I “didn’t do the stuff correctly”
Depression makes my mind kinda split into 2 languages so I kinda mixed things up lol
Flashbacks to getting bullied in school
Ugh
Be cool, my friend. ✌️
No worries, you didn’t do anything wrong.
Hope things start getting better soon.
Trump recently said he wants the My Pillow guy as governor of Minnesota. Do you think maybe that he’s trying to install him by inciting violence or something? He’s definitely trying to get people to choose violence.
I hadn’t heard about that, but upon reading your comment my immediate thought is that Trump is going to manufacture a pretext to arrest (i.e. kidnap) Governor Walz.
Martial law, he’s itching. I doubt he’d arrest him for something, just take over the position because he let the place go.
Trump recently said he wants the My Pillow guy as governor of Minnesota.
With trump’s accusations of cocaine in Venezula, I’m surprised MyPillow Mike isn’t advocating for a position of power there. Mike has first hand knowledge of cocaine:
Couple more days and they will go full Kristallnacht
