I don’t think it looks all that bad. Also of all the backlash people, how many were ever going to buy one?
Complete non story this one. It’s been pushed by the anti-EV crowd
It would be a good looking Renault Megane. It’s a terrible looking Ferrari. It has nothing Ferrari about it.
The issue is that ferrari is only as valuable as it is perceived. If the brand is not thought of as being the best, then the product will not sell well (at the price).
The replacement comes from BMW, what could go wrong? $640,000 for the car, and $1,250 monthly subscription if you want the wheels to turn.
I don’t think marketing is to blame here…
depends if there were responsible for the design brief
The electric part isn’t the problem, nor the marketing, it’s the… well yk
I don’t think the car looks bad at all. The outside is a little bland tbf but it’s not ugly. I think the interior is incredibly tactile and well thought out. I think when we see people tearing around tracks that preorders are going to be extremely strong
Car actually doesn’t look that bad, true. I guess it’s just not what people expect when they hear Ferrari. Imho it’s one of those cars that won’t sell now but in 50 years it will be a sought after rarity.
The dual color scheme makes it look bad. Would look significantly better as one color.
Jony Ive was your problem. Fire him.
I Just dont understand why everyone seemingly make EVs ugly on purpose…
I just don’t like that so many of them are fucking hatchbacks. I just want a sedan (that isn’t a god damned Tesla).
What’s wrong with hatchbacks for you? Is it just the appearance? Genuinely curious. Toyota Crown is a fastback sedan, although it’s quite tall and I assume the rear glass is a liftback.
I just don’t like that style of car.
The Taycan is gorgeous.
It needs to be lower. I feel it looks like that took a good silhouette and added a box at the bottom to fit the battery in.
That reminds me of the Opel Ampera. The original 2013 model was a decent looking sedan.
But every new model in that line has been a fugly hatchback…
There’s two big reasons.
No front grill
So much of a brand’s identity can be carried by the grill and headlights. And on an EV, there’s no need for a grill. But just a slab of flat metal looks weird, so they add stuff to break it up.
Drag
The range of an EV is a lot more sensitive to drag than an ICE car.
So in order to reduce the drag, shapes are smoothed out.
Aero efficiency becomes a much bigger priority than looks.
The front grill isn’t a problem for Ferrari design language. The 296 “grill” is mostly the haunches. An electric 296 would just flatten that out.
Similar story on drag, once you get rid of the mid engine air intake, drag would probably be within respectable drag for EV.
Questions would be about if they want a lot of battery range. This would screw up weight and ride height.
I think you’re right, but optimising for drag is going to change all cars into the same thing. If brands want to retain any kind of identifiable look, they need the engineering to give them some slack.
The secretly don’t want to manufacture them so they make them look like shit?
Obviously they can be made to look normal, the Ford Lightning & Mach E, Lucid, Polestar, and even a Tesla all look pretty normal and arguably some look really nice. But ask a mainstream manufacturer to make an EV car and they look stupid half the time. The Prius finally doesn’t look like it’s trying to virtue signal with its ugliness, so designs can be improved too.
But ask a mainstream manufacturer to make an EV car and they look stupid half the time.
IMO, it’s probably more that they overdesign them. They want the EV to look futuristic and unique compared to their regular cars, but their cars already look like that to some degree, and so they overcook the design into looking like some science fiction vehicle. Take the Ferrari, for example, they tried to make it have a floating arch where the hood would normally be.
That’s fine for a movie or video game, but in real life, coupled with the practical limits, it just doesn’t look very good.
I think the Cadillac is doing a good job with their new EV design. They do a good job of making it look like a Cadillac but better.
The Ferrari was designed by Jony Ive. It definitely looks like something he would design. He’s all about clean, minimalist design where everything is utilitarian.
Ferrari as a brand is about beautiful extravagant design in the fastest and least useful vehicles on the planet.
I can’t think of a less synergistic combination that Ferrari and Jony Ive.
Better fits for Jony Ive would be Hyundai, Kia, BMW and Mercedes. Those four are making some ugly ass cars that need to go back to the drawing board.
That‘s definitely a possibility. People don‘t want futuristic unless maybe it‘s a sports car, and even then it‘s iffy.
I don’t agree on the Prius. The 2026 version has worse consumption and a smaller trunk so it could look more like any other SUV. People buy these cause they are the best economics for the size and Toyota made it more like “what they think a phev suv should look like”. I’d say that’s the opposite of your point.
2024 and 2026 Prius both show 57/56 city/highway economy on fueleconomy.gov for the most economic models. The 2022 shows 54/50, the 2019 58/53.
So it looks like average economy has improved.
As for cargo, that’s unfortunate to lose space, but if they can get more people to buy the car because it looks more “normal” then that’s better, no?
Dont throw sense their way 😅
More people using less fossil fuels = better always
Tesla look like poo. Polestar are nicer by a mile but the backwindow is veey EV aesthetic
Also completely subjective…
The Ferrari Ev looks sick as do Hyundai’s offerings and hell even the new Prius is pretty cool. (I know it’s a hybrid)
Maybe you just have a really narrow scope of appreciation lol.
The fact that you’re mentioning it in the same sentence as a Hyundai is the problem with the Ferrari design. It just looks like a much cheaper car.
I agree, debates about the ugliness or attractiveness of inanimate objects are very confusing.
So people won’t buy them. O&G companies still own the auto industry.
I actually really like the look of my Renault Megane E-Tech
Battery could be better, but else I’m really happy with it - and the look of itAudi has the best looking cars to my eyye, of all the standard person cars. Their EVs are asstastic looking.
People who drive gas cars personally, make ugly EVs. They don’t build cars for themselves, they build cars for what their prejudiced minds think EV drivers want. The problem here is probably that none of the Ferrari leadership drives an EV.
they’re trying to compete with Renault’s handsome EV designs
I don’t even think it looks that bad, it just doesn’t look like a Ferrari
It looks fine.
It just looks like a minimalist hatchback in a era where minimalist design is already overused.
The interior is the only part of this vehicle that is actually interesting.
I imagine that’s the issue, that it does in fact not look like a Ferrari, when it is supposed to be a Ferrari.
Yeah definitely, like if Audemars Piguet released watches that didn’t look like an Audemars Piguet they’d definitely get a similar reaction from similar clientele.
Like this?
Technically that’s a swatch release, similar to the Moonswatch. People went crazy for the royal pop though, more than I thought they would.
I know but it had their brand name all over it, so they have to own it as well.
I saw a lot from both sides. Some loved it and others were pissed.
No doubt!
I saw an image edit with a Toyota Prius badge and I legit liked it
Hyundai’s Ioniq Venus concept actually kind of looks like if Ferrari designed a Prius
Front end looks very Lamborghini to me.
Tbh I don’t know high-end cars well enough to tell the difference. I thought some of the older Ferrari designs had that angular front, though?
That was in the 80s when everything was angular. Lamborghini kept that going while Ferrari trended toward pointed front bumpers, rolling curves, and a bigger back end. The quintessential Ferrari is the 2002 Enzo Ferrari and this borrows non of the design elements from that.
Don’t get me wrong, I actually don’t mind the design of the Ferrari Red Luce. The other colors look horrendous for some reason, but the red works for me. If I were nitpicking though, I think they could have slimmed down the chassis, gave the front end a bit more aggressive point, and reworked the back end to not look so flat. The designer is a former Apple guy and I think it shows. Purists would have wanted something bold to showcase a new era for Ferrari I think.
Ah, gotcha. I didn’t realize they had an external designer for this, but I can totally see Ives’ touch now that you’ve pointed that out. It seems like a really odd choice to use an external designer with a very different design ethos on a product that is to launch that new era. I could see it as a one-off collaboration where they go “Look, we let Jonny Ives design a Ferrari!”, but this is the foundation of a new category of vehicles for Ferrari.
The fact that this new vehicle doesn’t lean on the brand’s own history and design ethos tells me as a consumer that Ferrari either doesn’t have faith in its own design team anymore or is run by a bunch of out-of-touch executives who have no clue what their market wants. Either way, it’s pretty damning.
Honestly, too many Cybertruck vibes for my taste. Maybe it’s better from other angles
I feel like this what a more finished design of the cybertruck could have been. Personally, I like the sharp angles and strong lines on this car (to clarify, the cybertruck is fugly and has no redeeming qualities) and hope we see more of this style in the future.
I don’t mind the angular design, it’s the specific design element of having a straight line from the headlight to above the passengers with the huge windshield. It just seems like it has so many drawbacks for driver visibility and other packaging issues. There’s a reason you don’t normally see this outside of really low cars, or buses/trucks with a flat front.
That’s kinda neat looking honestly.
I totally agree. It looks like a startup made a concept of a vehicle in a movie. It’s not ugly by any means ugly but when I see a Ferrari I KNOW it’s a Ferrari. Same way with a McLaren or a Lamborghini.
Its growing on me. And the rims as an old GenX’er didn’t Vector have a set like that w/ the Bi-Turbo/Twin Turbo? I like the “Jet Turbine” look of them.
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But I can see why an EV Ferrari would get backlash from the purists. Its not a traditional ICE race car. That said I see racing going to EV as the torque is insane on electric. We are already seeing it in drag bikes
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Another prediction on EVs, their charging bottle neck will be filled by standardized batteries that can be removed by a robot.
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Like a car wash you pull up, a clanker comes up from the floor and removes your batteries. They go into inventory to charge and can be cell by cell inspected and charged batteries are installed. 10 minutes TOPS.
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This fixes recycling and repair. I’m sure I’m not the first to think of this, but its going to happen.
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Oh and your correct this looks NOTHING like a Ferrari, I mean not even “Ferrari Red®”???
We need better formatting of text on here asap,
Like a car wash you pull up, a clanker comes up from the floor and removes your batteries. They go into inventory to charge and can be cell by cell inspected and charged batteries are installed. 10 minutes TOPS.
This is already being done in China.
Your battery take won’t come to fruition any time soon in the consumer market. Commercial trucking and such I can see, but consumers value interior space and standardizing a battery limits what you can do with the interior. Automakers would never pigeonhole themselves like that. Look at the cellphone and laptop market and their batteries.
The company’s shares plunged by 8% the day after the Luce was unveiled.
Lol. They let an iPhone designer design a Ferrari, and it really shows.
Whoever designed that smooth as a booger look clearly didn’t have a poster with Ferrari on it, in their room, as a kid.
I would sell their stock too, if I had any.
Jony Ive designed the interior, but for some reason people missed that “minor detail” and have been saying he designed the whole car.
I thought he just designed the interior?
Johnny I’ve would drive around in. Sinclair C5 and it shows
There was no reason to make it look so out of place, unless they actually wanted to tank sales. Nothing about its look is necessitated by the EV drive train versus ICE.
That’s not a marketing issue, that’s whoever approved that design. Which, to be fair, may be the marketing boss depending on how their corporate structure is.
Why don’t they ever do retro designs and bring back popular classic looks? An electric F40 would probably sell like crazy.
It’s definitely not possible to create something that looks exactly like that with modern safety design standards but they are being very stupid by not at least trying to evoke that more in their cars.
Then again, as far as I understand it, rich people are completely detached from my idea of good taste. So we might like the classic designs and the companies might know their customers prefer novelty or “the next big thing” over that kind of continuity
Plus the EV platform package they used is basic AF and the battery under the seats means you have to elevate the cabin a lot
Low volume high end cars usually had a lot of overengineered solutions to problems that are now easily solved in modern budget cars by software and new materials/manufacturing. They could come up with a complicated battery system that gives them more design flexibility if they wanted to. They fucking should frankly.
The one in the pictures had a fuel bladder system IIRC. Not as exotic as figuring out asymmetrical distribution of multiple different sized battery boxes, but they did weird stuff to make their cars all the time. That’s the point of exotic cars that look stupidly different from other cars.
Cars are a weird one because they are a big part of the system of why the world sucks and luxury cars are just absurdly expensive status symbols. But fancy cars used to mean cool engineering! I’m even all for keeping most cars running on gasoline so long as there’s 90% fewer cars on the road. Usually online you can’t hate cars (the economic-social phenomenon ) and love cars (cool torque machine living room) at the same time. And I hate that
Yeah, true. But to be honest, as the marketing boss he has to defend that bullshit thing and I wouldn’t stand for it as well.
Seriously marketing has so much power in my company. They dictate what products get developed. Meanwhile my so company they are treated like jesters.
I mean, I feel nuts because I’ve complained about so many EVS that look terrible and not like a normal ice car.
Ferrari has one of the greatest design teams in Pininfarina yet they choose a person famous for making a rounded rect to make a totally new product. This is what they get for their poor choices.
Jony Ive only designed the interior of this monstrosity.
Lol it’s so ugly… It’s not that hard to create an EV. Which can also be beautiful.
And of course they chose dookie color to showcase it😂 not even the classic red color Ferrari is known for.
The thing that gets me is when car designers make a car that’s trying to be something it’s not. It’s an EV, not an ICE vehicle. If anything, amplify the motor hum under load (accelerating). Don’t simulate engine sounds. We’re tired of living in a simulation.
How hard is it to put a battery on a testarossa.
Dumbasses tried to reinvent the evI drive an EV
This sort of shit doesn’t help with idiots hating EVs on principle
In my view, the EV-drivers are the idiots. Although I’d prefer “ignorants” as those can be smart and dumb.
EVs are almost 100% cloud-cars full with surveillance and subscriptions and everything bad that comes with it. Not to say EVs are inherently bad, they aren’t. I would love one, technically speaking. I also love tech and gadgets. But not this level of remote control over “my” car.
I went from Bentley to cheap dumb cars over the years just because they all do it, some more some less. And EVs are the top of the “modern” shit. But the “entry-level” cars are still only filled with the basics. Even haptic buttons and dials (beside a damn touchscreen though).
You will own nothing, rent everything, and be happy about. I won’t.
Modern ICE cars have the exact same telemetry, even at the lower end models now. There are ways to circumvent some of the monitoring by deliberately terminating their antennas however. It really depends on the model though and whatever documentation regular drivers would be willing to share. My EV was modified this way and now I have a tiny reminder on the corner of the console that it can’t connect.
This is all a bandaid of course. We either come up with a gray market of workarounds or we demand legislation to remove this shit in a privacy bill. Considering we have a mandate by Congress starting in 2027 to install AI equipped driver facing cameras to disable the car if the driver even vaguely looks incapacitated shows that it would be a massive uphill battle however.
True, ICEs are not far behind the shittiness. But at least you still can buy NEW cars that don’t suck. Ours e.g. now has AC, assheating, rainsensor and android-auto (I know no worthy alternative to being independent to the car’s shitty onboard-system. anonymous account, VPN and dedicated phone.)
And yeah, congrats you could “hack” yours, but it’s indeed bandaid. It’s just a constant battle you’ll loose in the end. Same reason why I gave up on windows and android. I’m tired l, boss.
I went from Bentley to cheap dumb cars
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You wear your ignorance with such pride
My EV has no subscriptions or anything remotely like that
But, you seem quite keen to use “shit I made up” as a reference, so I won’t bother engaging with you any more
If you would listen very carefully, you might hear the sound of me not caring about that.
Youre right in that new cars are all shit. But that goes for ICE and EV.
Rolling surveillance mobiles and unrepairable. Total garbage.
Old (note, old to me means 70s or 60s, but I think younger folks now think 90s is old, so I’ll go with that) was better in every way. I’ll take a 99 civic over any new car today. Though id say about 2012 is peak if you want more comforts (I do not). Really sucks we allowed the government and corporations to fuck up cars so bad.
True, the ICEs grow more shitty from year to year. But the EVs are made to be “the future”. They begin where some ICEs end. Plus you can’t really make a totally dumb EVs.
But yes, I loved progress from manually winding windows to electric, or ACs, and even android auto (on an anonymous account on a dedicated phone). But with “going online” and 99% touch instead of haptic, nope. Go fuck yourselves.
We bought some “cheap” cars to test if it would work too. And sticked with a Mitsubishi. No bells, no whistles, only what we really want/need.
You also cant make a totally dumb ICE anymore with safety and emission regulations. If you buy a new car, it will have all the necessary tech in it to track you and send telemetry. It doesn’t matter how barebone the car looks unless you personally stripped everything down to the metal and remove every electric component that’s not 100% required.
Maybe in the US…here, customers have a tiny bit of rights and protection left. our car has no such nonsense. Expensive crap has been stripped out. In this model you can’t even get any connected features and we already have the top model of the bottom class 😁
If with “here” you mean anywhere close to the EU market, then I have to dissapoint you. An SOS button is mandatory which then also includes a GPS module.
Only applies to brand-new models. Ours does not have this, despite being just made because the model itself is there for a longer time :-) Besides, this thing poses no harm at all. It just sends an MSD to the emergency-hotline. That is absolutely helpful. Why would I, or anyone, mind that?
I do mind telemetry and whatnot going to some nasty corporations without my consent. And subscription-based crap due to a constantly connected car. All Shit I don’t even want but also have to pay for like the obedient lil consumer-filth that they take me for.
