The real question is : Why did you invite anyone over, before having a guest VLAN set up ? Classic beginner mistake.
I have two seperate guest VLANs, one for my family, and one for the people I love.
Whatever happened to just talking to each other? I’m glued to my devices all day every day, yet even I ignore the phone during holiday family gatherings.
Nobody’s forcing you to go; if you prefer be on the internet rather than interacting with your family, please just stay home.
Edit: Downvotes be damned, I stand by what I said. If this asocial shut-in who hasn’t had a friend since 2014 (because people annoy me) can come out of my shell a few times a year, and spend some time with the people I grew up, so can you. No excuses.
One day they will all be dead or estranged, and you will regret not looking up from your phone for two hours to spend quality time with them when they were alive and in your life, as you die alone in your nursing home (assuming you’re rich enough to afford assisted living, that is). Don’t say you aren’t warned.
Most people feel obligated to at least pretend they like their family.
Don’t worry, you’ll eventually get over your feelings of obligations towards others before you reach 40. Life becomes a lot less stressful once you stop giving a fuck about being a people-pleaser.
For me, i felt like that also when I was 35. I didnt want my family to be in my life since I didnt feel good around them.
Now at 50, I have again connected to some of them. Because you get back to those feelings that life is not endless and you start to think about that you will one day not be here anymore. And its nicer if that happens when you have made peace with at least some of those people.
Tldr, age made me think different at different stages. Maybe it happens for others as well. :)
Guys a madman, didn’t even ask for a ticket.
This is just Uncle BOFH.
I feel like when ‘Zero Trust’ first became a thing, the theme was ‘you should have every endpoint under your control hardened so it need not feer untrusted peers being able to connect’. E.g. if you think you absolutely need VPN to a ‘private network’ for security, then you are failing to be hardened in a ‘zero trust’ way, because you implicitly fear that your systems would fall to untrusted peers.
I feel like it’s evolved to ‘don’t let anything be able to connect to anything under your control unless you have admin privilege over it as well’. Which is particularly a nightmare when you try to collaborate between two companies, each balking at the other’s hard requirement to have admin access to all network peers of interest.
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Corporations really, really love being admin on everybody elses devices. See kernel level anticheat.
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I feel like people have gotten zero trust (I don’t need to trust anybody) confused with “I don’t trust anybody”.
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I was listening to a podcast by packet pushers and they were like “So you meet a vendor, and they are like, ‘So what do you think zero trust means? We can work with that’”.
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What’s this fool doing blocking only ports 80 and 443?
45 minutes setting up an alt vlan?
Was he getting paid by the hour?
The experience of managing a consumer-grade LAN appliance:
Open web browser
Start typing 192.168.0.1
It auto-inserts 192.168.0.12 because that’s the IP address of your NAS, and you’ve logged into it to adjust something at some point in the last six months. You register it has done this as you’re releasing the Enter key.
click Back.
Type the IP address again, this time carefully deleting the 2 it oh so helpfully inserted.
Wait 3 to 5 business weeks while the 16-bit ARM microcontroller they put in these things serves a web page like old people fuck. It loads to a completely useless stats page that has no information that anyone has ever needed to know.
Click LAN Setup.
Wait 3 to 5 business weeks while the 16-bit ARM microcontroller they put in these things serves a web page like old people fuck.
Parse the wall of acronyms before you, click the link that says DHCP.
Wait 3 to 5 business weeks while the 16-bit ARM microcontroller they put in these things serves a web page like old people fuck.
It continues in that fashion until you get what you need done or your network stops working and you have to get a pen and press the Reset button on the back of the device.
I’ve only ever met two types of IT professional. Either:
- Their home network is immaculate and smooth as butter. It connects quickly and integrates with everything. They can manage it all from their phone, but they don’t have to because it’s all automated. Their server room (a) exists and (b) is cable managed. There’s a wireless access point and connected smart speaker in every room, including the garage and the back patio, but they’re carefully located for maximum sound coverage and to prevent signal interference. Their home theater is substantially better than a movie theater, and their media server is packed to the gills with content. Network security is hardened, with bespoke subnets for every user and tunneling for the media server and smart home functions. You feel a sense of calm and ease when connected to their network. “Everything I do at work, I try out at home first.”
Or:
- Their “home network” is a single Belkin router from 2011. They’ve had it since college, and it takes 9 minutes to reboot (which they have to do daily). It doesn’t even have Tomato on it and still uses the default password. They still watch OTA TV and Blu-Rays, so the wifi is exclusively connected to the smart switch that their tea kettle is plugged into so they can start their hot water before they come downstairs. You feel guilty even asking for the wifi password. “Why would I do any network stuff here? I do IT all day at work, the last thing I want to do is even touch a Cat5 cable at home.”
The guy she tells you not to worry about VS you.
I’m in the meme. In the shitty paragraph.
Isn’t this basically just rich IT guy vs poor IT guy?
No, it’s 'my life is IT and i never stop working" guy, and “IT is just my job” guy.
I just order a new router on Black Friday to replace my 10 year old one. I also only console game now because PC gaming is too much of a headache. I spend my money on outdoor gear and pets, not technology. My new router is $90 bucks. I can’t fathom why I’d ever need a wifi 7 quad band router with 9Gbps of throughput for a home network, other than pure bragging rights. All my devices are like 5-10 years old and barely support wifi 6 anyway.
A couple of my co-workers are the former. They will be doing penetration testing at 2am form their home lab in the morning because they their default mode is work work work. If i’m up at 2 am i’m watching TV and snacking.
I monitor security updates, but my co-workers like get excited and ramble on anytime a new patch/attack is documented. I don’t get it. They revel in doing updates and rebuilding their VMs fresh every few weeks, I groan and clone.
Nah, I could afford nice shit but I’m still using a ubiquity edge router 8 from 10 years ago.
There is probably something to be said that there is an in between to those two extremes. The “my network is made of a Hodgepodge of shit my employer threw out that still seems to work and brand new things I replaced because I had to”
My first draft of this did mention that there was a version of the second type of IT guy who cobbled everything together with workplace castoffs and conference swag, but I couldn’t figure out how to make it work without just being over-wordy.
“Everything I do at work, I try out at home first.”
Absolutely no fucking way! And anything that touches work is isolated, their opsec sucks so much they didn’t even realized they mandate “security solutions” with known backdoors.
I think it means they setup new tech on their homelab to learn how everything works and how to break it. Then when a problem arises where one of these solutions is needed at work, you can implement it without any large issues. It makes sense if your hobby is close to or adjacent your day job, and you are on Salary, and your boss treats you right.
Yes, I’m not doing almost any of the things we do at work in my network.
I’m absolutely not running the same software. I’m not organizing the information the same way. I’m not using the same infrastructure abstraction, and even less configuring it in any similar way. I’m not writing the same languages.
The work environment is dictated by consensus between many people, with varying expertise, and weighted by how much work one is willing to put into each aspect of it. Each of those parts lead to bad tech, even though they lead to good people organization.
Which actual IT guy supports antivirus?
Lol generally I’ll refer to the OS builtin tooling (XProtect/MS Defender) and EDRs as “Antivirus” otherwise the non-techies will freak OmG wE hAVe NO aV! And then the “anti”-viruses like mcafee and Kaspersky mysteriously spawns
And also on-demand AV software can be good for spot checks or if you’re sus of something.
It’s the “Real-time” shit that hooks into the kernel that needs to be avoided like the plague
When i was a windows person many moons ago i ran into viruses once or twice. Kaspersky was the only av in those days that effectively cleaned them from my system.
Now i am a linux dude. Where there doesnt really seem to be an effective antivirus solution because, even though malware exists, it’s so fucking sophisticated and stealthy you may never know it.
it’s so fucking sophisticated and stealthy you may never know it.
Even more reason to install an AV on Linux.
It is the whole point of an AV to prevent malware the user doesn’t notice.
Almost every malware tries to be invisible to the user. Because if they aren’t, they would be wiped off instantly. This goes for every OS.
There dont seem to be any particularly effective ones.
In my experience malwareis just so different in linux tho, like. Malicious udev rules, bpfdoor, that ssh things hears ago that allowed someone to basically eavesdrop on anything that was right there in the code.
If someone manages to get something malicious running on linux it’s a different ballgame from wjndows - theres so much bash everywhere that can be modified to do nasty things.
Im not saying an antivirus is a bad idea on linux or anything - but there really doesnt seem to be anything decent.
Clamav seems like the only game in town. And i have nonidea how effective that is anyway
Ohh fuck yes, I support antivirus, but only on Windows, maybe, possibly OSX. If you give bare Windows to a kid, they’ll have viruses as soon as they learn to use Google.
TBF, Fam gets my guest network. It’s not allowed to touch anything in my house, they can only route through. DHCP sends their DNS to 4.2.2.2 and 8.8.8.8, They can’t even touch my DNS, they can’t see any of my home automation and they can’t see each other. They can push the connection as hard as they want, the QOS won’t let them take priority.
For my son I just used APLs in group policy. Only approved apps could run. I encouraged him to be better than me and he has definitely kept me on my toes. Now he is in college for cyber security and loving it.
So far he hasn’t broken anything major on his computer or the network, well, aside from messing up his BIOS a couple times… But then he got to teach me how to program EEPROM (like I said, he has kept me learning stuff I normally wouldn’t).
Kid should be learning social skills at a family party.
As a former kid struggling with social skills, I think that would’ve done me some good. It’s easy and convenient to fall into avoidance behaviour, but overcoddling did me no favours.
I was told overcoddling reduces resiliency. Parents always coming in to fix things without letting their kids try to solve it on their own. The kid may fail but the act of trying and figuring out why it failed helps greatly. Most parents just “don’t want to see their kids upset” though.
Take it with a grain of salt, as I don’t have any kids.
The balance to be struck is the golden zone between overcoddling and undersupporting. Kids need help getting “close enough” to figure out the rest on their own, gradually less so as their abilities expand.
In some ways, I was coddled and never learned how to do stuff. In others, I was neglected and had no idea where to begin to solve things, so I just didn’t. Neither is great.
as I don’t have any kids.
You don’t need to have kids to engage with the topic of how best to deal with them. It’s a valuable skill to have when dealing with children, whether your own or someone else’s. In fact, some parents probably should have engaged with the topic more before they squeezed one out. That shit is complicated and I wouldn’t want to just figure it out on the fly.
Simple solution: log the kid into your neighbor’s wifi.
As an early teen my parents turned off the WiFi router at night and when not in use. I eventually found the neighbor had an exploitable WEP router from an Android app, and I used it to continue watching Minecraft and Happy Wheels videos on Youtube.
Yeah, there’s the old “strict parents make sneaky kids” saying that is often very true. Parents who try to lock down their tech often find that kids will just bypass the tech entirely. Nothing is more singularly motivated than a 14 year old who wants to look at tits, and locking it down only encourages them to do shady shit like get a secret prepaid phone, or hack the neighbor’s WiFi.
My son did this…
Congrats, pretty sure “mom took away my internet” is the primary entry point for IT professionals
Similar situation: I legit taught myself how to use aircrack-ng when I was like 12 because I wanted to play Mario Kart on my grandma’s Wii, but it needed internet to download an update, which she didn’t have. However, the neighbor had a WEP-encrypted network, and I was staying the night. The rest is history.
I was already really interested in computers myself. My own explosion of interest was a game called WarioWare: D.I.Y. that let you make minigames using a built-in editor.
I’m old enough you have to replace “cracking neighbors wifi” with cloning our modem and “youtube” with funny pictures from irc homies, but same. Working around internet access restrictions was a milestone between fun things I could do with computers and how they really worked
What’s the modem clone about?
They would unplug our isp provided modem and take it to bed with them, so I tracked down another one from the manufacturer and copied the eeprom from theirs onto it. It was a simpler time :p
I legitimately can’t tell if this is a joke or some dude trying to do a humble brag post on LinkedIn. So many ‘look what I can do’ posts on that damn site.
No one that serious about network security wouldn’t already have a network dedicated to untrusted devices relatives could use. Definite joke, still entertaining 😂
Allowing children on roblox is negligence at this point so I think this is unironically in the right
Deleting Roblox and installing Factorio
You’ll thank me when you’re older, kid.
The factory must grow.
“Why is my child applying to Nestle’s child mines”
The American use “ironically” is probably the only difference between our dialects that I’ll stand firm on.
My friends, we already have a use for the word, and it’s not this!
I’m all about linguistic innovation, but using “unironically” in place of “seriously” and “ironically” in place of “sarcastically”/”not seriously" is not happy times for me.
Unless you give me a new word for irony.
I quite like y’all, I use that all the time, not against Americanisms in general, just this one.
hey don’t blame us, we learned it from the brits
Oh interesting, I hadn’t noticed that!
yeah playing with the three types of irony was extremely popular in early 1700s britlit. early american lit tried to distinguish itself from britlit by focusing less on irony and more on allegory and symbolism. however by the late 1800s american lit came to emphasize irony almost as hard as the previous century’s britlit had, though i think our only author to really do as much verbal irony (saying one thing, meaning another) as that era of britlit was F Scott Fitzgerald in the 1920s.
i’m curious now how Australian literature plays with irony. if there’s an absence of verbal irony, is there more literary irony (the consequences of the action are tied comically to the action) and dramatic irony (the audience knows things the characters don’t)? and did the divergence happen because our war of independence resulted in the brits no longer using our southern colonies as a penal colony just as they were getting bored of this?
or were early Australians more likely to reject this device because they felt it was a signifier of their oppressors?
My understanding, from how people use it here is that irony is a situation which is a contrast between the expected/intended and actual outcome.
It’s ironic when a fire station burns down
This definition is truly upsetting: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony
Americans, no. Bad Americans.
This definition is correct (until we come up with a good substitute, FFS America): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony
Glad Wikipedia agrees with me on this one haha We’ll at least the introductory definition.
Edit: to answer your question. I dunno. I just think this form of “ironic” just didn’t take off in Australia.
Mostly because we already have words for what Americans use it for. And don’t have words to replace irony.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Hi, American checking in. I was taught in English class in high school that irony is an ambulance running people over, not just sarcasm. I do agree that colloquially (and I am probably guilty of it too) we Americans use the word “irony” to talk about things being presented in a non-genuine and earnest manner, to talk about sarcasm and snark and parody.
I was taught in English class in high school that irony is an ambulance running people over, not just sarcasm
This is a relief, there is hope yet haha
I refuse to allow my own child on it. It takes zero effort to see all the super shady shit happening there. I wont have my child exposed to that crap.
I played Roblox with my kids for years and didn’t find any shady shit. Not saying there is no shady stuff on there, but after 100s of hours either it’s suddenly gotten worse, we somehow dodged all the shady shit or the media have exaggerated the issue. Take your pick.
I played with my kids because they desperately wanted to join in on the fun but the reports of it being pedo land made me create a rule of “you only play when we play together”. We had great fun, have many fond memories of our time on there.
This kind of reads like a catholic who brought their kids to mass their whole childhood and disbelieves that catholic priests are child molestors because they never molested your child. They don’t prey on children with present caring parents who don’t leave their children unsupervised. They prey on solitary, neglected, vulnerable children, or for catholics those who are willing to trust a priest alone with them. In roblox it’s the same but without the implicit trust of an authority figure. The pedos probably avoided you. You didn’t somehow dodge the shady shit, you inadvertently created a bubble of safety that prevented your kids from being preyed upon because there’s so much easier prey around.
That’s an odd way to twist it. I must have had “parent” tagged to my avatar so to avoid the nasties.
Wouldn’t it be enough to just create a seperate subnet?
Yeah, he did that…and then kept going for some reason. A separate subnet in a separate firewall zone that doesn’t forward anywhere but the internet should be sufficiently safe
Not for the kid.
Was he worried about the kid or his network lol?
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Ok but 56kbps is just evil
eh, when the landlord moved a business into their house and expected me to keep providing IT for free, but also for the business: I rate limited them to 5kbps. just enough to say it has internet, not fast enough to use the internet without timing out on every page. I got paid the next day.
