The “leftists” and liberals, and to clarify I don’t believe nonliberal leftists are actually left because I think respect for individual autonomy and civil rights are a nonnegotiable progressive stance, but in the context of this discussion we’re referring to self identified leftists, split in Germany’s Wehrmacht Republic leading to a failure to form government for three elections until the Nazis seized power on the fourth.

… okay, but that split occurred in no small part because the liberal party, Zentrum, preferred to negotiate with the conservatives and literal Nazis over supporting the Social Democrats.

Liberals are far from always at fault. But it’s a definite tendency of the liberal worldview, oriented largely towards procedure and compromise, to end up taking the wrong fucking tack towards fascists, who care for neither.

The rise of a divide in the left is always heralding an age of fascism, because of purity politics and foreign psyops.

1. And when the divide is predicated on the ‘moderate’ rather than the radical wing?

2. Fuck, man, it’s 2026. Considering we’re both Americans and talking in a very American context, if we can’t voice our objections to the overall game plan of liberals now, when can we voice it? Saying “Holy fuck liberals, you need to snort some fucking wig powder and get that 1776 energy back” is hardly ‘splitting the party’ two years out from the next presidential; it’s voicing serious fucking concern over liberals falling into the same trap as other liberal parties in the past - including the Dems, who opted to play softball through both Obama’s terms (which I don’t blame Obama specifically for - God knows he had a very narrow line to walk as the first Black president) and Hillary’s campaign and Biden’s term and the Harris campaign.

Liberals offering compromise to the “Very Economically Anxious Concerned Right-Wing” and getting screwed by it is a classic Lucy-and-the-football situation. Most of us here don’t hate Charlie Brown. We just want him to stop fucking falling for it, especially since when we all fucking pay for his gullibility, and politely pointing it out has done jack squat.

As any number of political comedians will tell you, mockery is more powerful than etiquette.

I swear you are allergic to reading. How many of those links have you actually looked at?

It was both a messaging issue and a policy issue. Ignoring the bad foreign policy of the campaign and also the lack of messaging on the popular policies, or how Harris shyed away from popular policy messaging, doesn’t change the reality that her campaign was a failure. If the failures aren’t actually addressed, nothing will change.