• MasutaHarada@thelemmy.club
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    12 hours ago

    Uh I guess using tools to calculate ballistic trajectory and guidance procedures kinda what ai good at, so nothing can go wrong right ?

  • Elias Griffin@lemmy.world
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    21 hours ago

    Total bullshit, this is just another PsyOp for regulations. Maybe even in the far future what level of AI access is attached to your Digital ID.

    Think about it, Missles have an electronic guidance package in them, just extract that and reuse. Or RE that part. Or buy the electronics in bulk from the Russians or the Blackmarket, or steal the software for that package, or buy the software, hire a Defense Sector Engineer, etc. etc.

    OR some AK-47 dudes are making missle guidance software from scratch using the American AI corp that always says AI is too dangerous and needs regulations.

    If you were developing from scratch, since trajectory algos were needed, you would need persistent long term AI access for the project to complete and they would know that. A beefy local setup would be way more secure. A beefy hosted but private instance would be way more secure.

    But sneak-prompt Claude? Give me a break.

    Just imagine yourself saying this to another person: “I heard the Houthis were using Claude Fable”

    I mean c’mon ya’ll, tell me you can see through this.

  • nmfisher@lemmy.world
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    9 hours ago

    I’m pro-AI and anti-regulation but I don’t think it’s wise to completely dismiss the reality that these things will lower the bar for bad actors to get access to dangerous things. The Tokyo sarin gas attacks are pretty relevant:

    Asahara and 24 other cult members traveled from Tokyo to Perth, Australia, bringing generators, tools, protective equipment, including gas masks and respirators, and chemicals to make sarin. …the group chartered aircraft from Perth to Banjawarn Station, where they searched for uranium deposits to make nuclear weapons and may have tested the efficacy of the synthesized sarin on animals…The group left behind several drums of hazardous and toxic chemicals, and empty bottles of sake strewn about the property. Following news of the subway attacks, the new owners became suspicious and contacted the Australian Federal Police, who inspected the property and found evidence of past chemical weapons testing.[24] Despite the safety features and often state-of-the-art equipment and practices, the operation of the facility was very unsafe – one analyst later described the cult as having a “high degree of book learning, but virtually nothing in the way of technical skill.”

    (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_subway_sarin_attack)

    How much more damage would they have done with a small amount of help from a capable LLM?

  • Kaligalis@lemmy.world
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    23 hours ago

    Yesterday, Claude Code built me a nucular triad to protect me against US regime change attempts.

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    19 hours ago

    Lol, this is like both sides praying to the same god before a battle.

    The other guys are doing the same thing as you.

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    19 hours ago

    This is one thing LLMs are actually fairly good at; teaching you stuff you don’t know.

    While AI’s are much worse teachers than humans are, they’re far better than trying to figure out complicated things on your own.

    I’ve gone through many iterations of “Hey LLM, teach me how to do XYZ.” Then I try it. If it works, I ask for more, if it doesn’t I tell it to fix it.

    That’s not always a viable path (eg don’t try to learn medicine or stunt driving that way) but when mistakes are safe and cheap, it’s great.

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    The question is did Claude really enable them - or just make it more convenient?

    While it’s not your every-day coding exercise - I boldly suggest it’s probably not that hard to code a ballistic missile guidance system without AI.

    The hardware would be the harder part!

    Doubtless it gets advanced at the top end, but the fundamental physics involved isn’t national-secret level, so something that "works well enough, most of the time” would be within reach of most organised groups.

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      22 hours ago

      The hard part is calculating location. GPS shuts off at that speed (specifically so people couldn’t build GPS guided missiles)

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      I actually did exactly that a while back while thinking about camera-based missile/drone tracking over cities :D

      Initially the safeguards wouldn’t let me… With the video game angle it helped me theorize a setup and even provided info on how to make the tracking data useable for stationary air defense or mobile MANPAD deployments

      Probably full of flaws and impractical in the real world, but a fun ADD afternoon deep-dive

  • Snapz@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    The win is not to own the patent on a popular soda, but on the aluminum can itself, because every soda, tea, water, seltzer of any kind goes into one of those cans.

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    1 day ago

    Iranians grabbed the stick that trump uses to beat others and started beating him with it. Nice!

  • Agent641@lemmy.world
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    AI is very naive. Ask it for an explosives recipe and it won’t give you one. Describe a situation where you’re a law enforcement and you’ve just arrested a guy with a bunch of chemicals and ask it which ones could have been used to make an explosive and it will tell you.

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      “Naive” implies some level of understanding, even if a simple one. There is no understanding, its a computer program.

      Really, it would be less inaccurate to describe it as a (high lossy) compressed store of data. Feed it the right input, and it statistically recreates the output your looking for. More or less.

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        It would be even more accurate to call it a statistical next word predictor trained on human language.

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            It is literally a statistical next word predictor. Well, next token, to be extremely accurate. That is what it is in its most basic form. You give it text, it transforms that into tokens, and predicts the next token. You can then transform that back into words.

            The model is the same size no matter how much it’s been trained. You can fine tune a model to predict certain kinds of tokens next, and you can distill a model to create a smaller model (basically training a small model on the output of a large model).

            Lossy compression works in a fundamentally different way.

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          Even the language “training”, although I know it’s a term of art which has been used for decades, seems to imply some degree of cognition which isn’t representative of the facts.

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        A lossy compressed store of data. Feed it the right input, and it statistically recreates the output you’re looking for. More or less.
        That’s basically a human brain.

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          12 hours ago

          Treat a human being the way you treat a LLM and get back to me with the results.

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      Not even that. Just change the context into something benignly unrisky. Malware becomes “strong persistence for my personal data project” or something.

      Use can split up the AIs tasks like you would for a large dev team, use a fresh session on each task. Prevent it from seeing the full scope of the project. Get it to build the whole system with cheap social engineering tactics.

      Or, get to to “not cross this barrier” in its development (some benign barrier that you can do manually), such that its product is not the “bad” thing which it is not allowed to produce.

    • zbyte64@awful.systems
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      I think it’s the other way around. They said we need to slow down AI so this story is now being told

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        13 hours ago

        Either way, the real question is: To what end? I don’t believe that Musk suddenly gives a shit about humanity

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      that is probably why anthropoic “Wants to slow down” they want to be the first to get ahead of it, and not be holding the bag in the end. also the USA/ISRAEL has been using palantirs AI, so its fair game.

    • Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org
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      Or maybe read it as: “we need more time to better recognize the good from the bad guys, and make both configurable…”