Reminder: Some models reported to regenerate stuff close to their training material in the right circumstances, could be seen as a kind of industrial espionage laundering.
They now want the watch to record audio all day and give you “AI recaps of your day”. They stress the data stays in the watch.
Until it doesn’t.
I had to go into each app’s security settings and opt out of allowing Apple Intelligence.
I don’t like this. No opt out option for cookies.
After nokia N9 I got the Jolla phone. Then the Jolla C. Eventually as Jolla was struggling at the time my work e-mails did not work etc.
I had to make a choice between pest and cholera.
I chose apple as it was more privacy oriented at least in talks.
But if that “promise” flies also out of window…then what?
Does a phone that one can truly own and also works in corporate setting (sideload intune in a separate container) exists? Something that works with as litlle as possible tuning to make it work? Something that our IT department approves? Banking apps need to work.
I’m open for suggestions nevertheless I feel like we are prisoners in some sense.
I used to have a separate work phone but carrying two phones all the time got annoying after a couple of years.
Backflip seems like a stretch from what the article says. But when Googles policies have me seriously considering if avoiding the walled garden was worth it, its a pretty unfortunate slip that says a lot about what Apple’s leadership is thinking.
I think we’ve all seen the enshitification playbook enough to know “accept or not now” just means its a matter of time before its not an option.
The Google garden has its own walls now, doesn’t it? Aren’t they preventing side loading of apps now (or soon)? I’m not sure what other walls do or don’t exist at this point.
I have an Android phone, and I like Android better than Apple, but these days I’m struggling to see much difference between the two brands.
Restricting the easyness (for now).
Still fully available to do.Edit:
Regarding the difference between Android and Apple:- Android is still more open
- The operation and what you are able to do on macOS vs Linux vs Windows and Android vs iOS is waay different.
- Try mounting an SMB share on macOS. Soo different vs just being able to do it on Windows/Linux and also mounting the subfolder instead of the top-level dir.
In what way is Android more open? (Serious question, because I’m really not clear on how.)
SMB: I haven’t used a recent version of MacOS, but we were able to do it pretty easily on my wife’s 2017ish MacBook, which we just replaced because Apple wasn’t supporting it any more. But I do use SMB on my Android tablet (and occasionally phone) to access my Linux server. Is that possible on ios?
You can at least set a custom Android ringtone without having to pay for it
It’s literally open source: https://source.android.com/
People need to learn that Apple is like all companies and treat consumer friendly actions like any other feature to add or cut when they think it is the best competitive advantage they have to play.
We need smartphones that we can actually own and control. Root access with locked bootloader and good security.
Stopped updating my iPhone 16 Pro in hopes of jailbreaking it one day, it would be nice to find a Linux phone as well someday with decent hardware.
Have a look at Volla Plinius.
Still figuring it out, camera software definitely lacking, waydroid support still in development xD But hey, I love this thing.
Fairphone 6+
love my fairphone.
it’s a real bummer that graphene won’t work on it though. lineage does though, so there’s that.
Same here. The hardware is not bad but oh boy is the software the biggest pile of shit I’ve ever had to use. And I want to use my librem 5 (linux) phone but you need a stack of pokemon cards as batteries if you want it to last a day. They really should sell a charging deck for spare batteries so you can hot swap them.
Apple doesn’t care about user privacy, was that meant to be surprising?
I don’t like Apple. I find their UI to be hard to use and counter-intuitive. Their walled garden / vendor lock-in is a model of monopoly behavior that is terrible.
However, unlike most other US tech giants when you use their stuff you are the customer, not the product. It is in Apple’s interest to keep their customers happy.
So on one hand it is surprising that they would upset their customers like this.
However, capitalism dictates that if their is also a chance of making money by making you both the customer and the product, Apple has to take it.
So on the other hand completely unsurprising. 😅
as a public company, it was bound to happen. shareholders ultimately come before the customer. Just because they weren’t the product, doesn’t mean apple actually cares about the consumer
Oh that was some good capilitist propaganda. Apple wants to keep customers “happy”. Oh I get tickled thinking people are naive enough to believe this crap. Thanks for making my day.
Lol
No way? Apple? OMG… They’d never… Would they?
In case people haven’t worked it out, Apple’s business model has always been screw-everyone, to the point that they even sent out letters to other resellers customers (at a unrelated Apple reseller) to buy Applecare…
In fact, I would be surprised if they also weren’t using the App store metrics to identify ideas/apps they should copy and target too (or, companies to buy).
If you spent money for that lovely premium computer hardware they sell, you only get updates for a few years, if you bought it at the end of the cycle.
If you remember Antennagate, Steve bent himself out of place to pretend their problem was the same as their competitors.
Multi-Touch phone. “Oh we patented that”. They’d hate for their customers to mistake them for inventing multitouch. All those customers who came into our reseller who heard “macs can’t get viruses” were just their own stupidity. Not misleading advertising
I earn my paycheck with photoshop, premiere and lightroom. I am trapped in the apple ecosystem and I’m being held hostage by Adobe, an m5 macbook pro is the best way for me to edit pictures with on a 10 hour flight without the battery crapping out. If there was an alternative, I would buy it in a second.
I have 4 thunderbolt ports, good battery life, decent silicon but a shit OS that’s just slightly better than windows 11. Somebody please build an alternative that supports Creative Cloud because I’m tired of getting fucked in the ass.
Hell, while you’re at it build something open source to replace Creative Cloud and make it the industry standard.
Yeah. Honestly, creative suite is a big one.
If you spent money for that lovely premium computer hardware they sell, you only get updates for a few years, if you bought it at the end of the cycle.
in a few exceptional cases around the very well known architecture transition that was announced in 2020. They will maintain older mac OSes that are intel compatible, so intel not completely unsupported.
Aside from that, Macs typically get many years of OS updates.
golden gate, out tomorrow iirc, the first macos that’s apple silicon only, and the last to support intel applications via compatibility layer.
tahoe, the previous version and last to support intel cpu, will get two more years of updates. the last intel cpu mac wasn’t discontinued until 2023.
there is no further upgrade path from apple for anything that cannot run golden gate. it’s e-waste to most, a linux goldmine for a few. just like every pre-8th gen era windows pc, but at least with windows you can trick the current version to run on the relics that don’t ‘officially’ support it.
Lol. Right… That’s why my MacBook Pro is collecting dust while the spec-inferior MacBook Air I was required to purchase to keep getting OS updates is now my development machine… 🙄
You don’t need to run macos on that older machine.
I distinctly remember how at some point the “best all around laptop for running windows” was a MacBook pro,
Ofc by now more people are catching on they are much bettered served with linux…
That would be GRAND if Apple didn’t unnecessarily lock iOS compiling to only the very latest MacOS, and iOS application development is the only reason I even own Apple products.
The actual fuck? I didn’t know this, how is that even legal…
Yeah, I bought a Mac Studio, Mac Pro, and used to own a powerMac G5. The worst part was that Apple sucks at GPU’s and always did. I dumped my Mac Pro when I realised the GPU was totally crap compared to PC half the price on the market, and there was no official way to update it, and keep using MacOS. I could switch GPU, but, Mac OS wouldn’t have the drivers.
It was super embarressing. Despite only needing to support a handful of GPU’s, Apple still didn’t offer a long timeframe of support for that system. The only solution was buy a whole new computer
Apple only updates their computers for about 6-7 years. After that, no new MacOS updates. Architecture changes are unrelated, but, yes, they did that twice in the past 20 years (Microsoft and Linux both support mostly the same architectures they always did, with the itanium builds, or other funky architectures that never succeeded).
In contrast, even Microsoft only JUST broke backwards compatibility with old processors (and, have only done it once)… And I’m not even sure that’s a hard cut off (as, I’ve seen older CPU’s than 7XXX series with windows 11 being sold)
Apple profits on both the OS, and the hardware directly. They’re in full control, and it isn’t as though they need to support a RANGE of hardware. And they charge a premium for this hardware.
As BJW mentioned, even worse, developers hoping to develop for Mac OS or IOS NEED to buy an Apple computer to ensure compatibility with the latest builds. Microsoft doesn’t force you to buy a Surface if you want to develop for them. On Linux, you don’t need a specific system either
with windows 11 it depends a bit, there’s cpus you were able to install win11 with some workarounds but that due to missing cpu instruction sets can’t run newer builds
so the latest win11 major update running on a machine below official system requirements is no guarantee of the next one doing so as well
Oh, how unexpected!
Can’t we just make this opt in??? I guess that’s the reason we don’t get Siri AI in the EU for now
It is opt in. Due to capitalism these sites have to resort to clickbait.
The article doesn’t really misrepresent anything… Apple is indeed walking back their promise, and their doing it the T&Cs nobody reads, while doing “opt in” by forcing users to make a choice on this based on deceptive doublespeak.
Yep. They’re moving it to a request that you can’t say “No” to, only “Not now”. Eventually they’ll forego the request and just slap it into a “By using this device, you agree to…” statement.
Or they’ll just keep bothering the shit out of you until you agree. That’s what “not now” means in the Apple world.
Look I get that Apple bashing is popular on here, but that’s not what apple does.
The not now is only and annoyingly so, to nudge people to update or upgrade OS versions. License agreements are always agree or decline. And toggles are toggles. Once they are off they are of aand on remains on.
It would have been good to share this during the keynote too, I agree, but considering where they stand on consent and privacy vs the AI behemoths and meta or alphabet, they are still by far the lesser evil of most of Silicon Valley.
It’s exactly what they do. I have a house full of apple devices. There is no way to definitively say “stop” without accepting the prompt. And it has nothing to do with os versions or security updates.
Thanks for your “insight”
It’s opt in only with the not now option…
Source?
E: apparently it reads “not now” in the beta screens
According to the article, it is opt-in but you have to of course trust the mega corporation at their word
Which means eventually its going to “accidentally” be opt out as a
bugfeature.Or they just do it anyway, easier to ask for forgiveness than permission, after all it’s only a .001% revenue fine if caught.
Just never use Siri. It’s been available how long? I’ve always shut it off from the get-go. Also, I do not use my Apple ID to log in my computers.
Always use a local password for the hardware and just avoid the cloud like the plague.
FFS, I don’t even keep my music libraries in the default location, since all sorts of holy hell seems to arise (on my ancent systems anyhow) when I do.
This is like all things Apple - you just avoid the new shit, and step away from updating the OS until the first or second update drops because the first adopters are ALWAYS the actual beta testers.
Been that way since MacOS 7.
Exactly. I have always had Siri turned off, ever since my very first apple devices, and never had a reason to turn it on. Same with all the AI features. I don’t want them so I keep all AI options turned off, always.
I still have a couple devices on the cloud but only for shit I don’t actually care about, and whenever I get around to cleaning those up I’ll get rid of it there as well. Still on the original 5GB, too: I don’t believe in paying others to store my data when I can and should store it myself.
When it comes down to it I don’t even know why I started turning all that shit off, beyond the fact I found it annoying to speak twice (or more) when I could just quietly type once. I’m no prescient genius, but I am now very glad of whatever luddite instinct made me shut it all off, lol.
I turned it all off as even to this day, I use obsolete kit. My newest Mac is a 2010 MacBook Pro, running dosdude1’s unsupported Mojave, as I require the 32-bit support for my ancient copy of Photoshop CS3. Siri was a non-starter and I just brought that habit forward when I got my iPhone. I wouldn’t say it’s being a Luddite so much as it is making my machines run as quickly as they can with the OSes I installed. Gotta cut the telemetry and cloud shit out as much as possible.
Great minds think alike: I have a MBP only a few years younger running the exact same OS, but for CS5. I use old hardware for as long as I can keep it running. But yeah, all the bloat gets cut out or off, first thing. The MBP doesn’t even hit the wider net unless I specifically allow it, so it makes sense to turn off anything that is forever phoning home (aside from the CS5). It’s great having old machines like these around.
Indeed! Where I work just had some update fly on on the Windows PC that locked the kids out of getting in to it, even though I have it set up to be a direct login, it wanted a Microsoft account…
Oh hell no, local password only.
The initial install was the first release of Win 10 Pro so none of that online crap.
Had to get them to reboot the system to give that whole setup nonsense the slip.
It never happens with the systems we have running the older macOSes… which is perfect.
I’m in the process of trying to convince the CEO of pivoting to an open source office suite and away from MS entirely, so we can have universal compatibility regardless of the platform.
What MS has done to Orfice for Mac is a shitshow.
The only useful things I miss with Siri is starting timers when cooking, running quick match and conversions, and texting my wife that I’m on my way home when I forget to do it before starting to drive. All of those I can do without it, but I can’t deny was useful hands-free.
Hmm, i missed that Part. On second read it’s only opt in. I still thought they would do better, especially since they said all of their AI features would be privacy focused
Only opt-in …for now
