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On the other hand, men on average live shorter, and we just go “well it’s just risky behavior and physical labor I guess 🤷♂️” and they’re aren’t any task forces for that either, truth is we as a society don’t care enough about these issues regardless of sex
I’m on the fence with your comment. Society viewing men as disposable is definitely a thing, and we do end up doing more hazardous and physically demanding work on the whole. The risks are real. Some of our mortality is hardwired, with men more prone to taking risks, which also drags the average.
You are also right about society not caring, though I would argue it’s the system we subscribe to.
I’m hesitant to fully jump on board with your comment because it’s close to bringing the whole ‘men too’ crowd which often has a note of toxicity to it.
The argument shouldnt be men vs. women, but people vs. those who exploit us, or people vs. the problem
You are also right about society not caring, though I would argue it’s the system we subscribe to.
How is this different in the context of healthcare for women?
I’m hesitant to fully jump on board with your comment because it’s close to bringing the whole ‘men too’ crowd which often has a note of toxicity to it.
This is irrelevant. The point is either valid or it isn’t. Neither you nor the person you’re talking to are responsible for the reactions of third parties. Judge the point being made on its own merits.
The argument shouldnt be men vs. women, but people vs. those who exploit us, or people vs. the problem
In an ideal world, maybe. But the health issues in question are relevant to a person’s sexual development (male vs. female) therefore it is functionally impossible to remove sex from the discussion.
It’s not really different in the contex of womens’ experiences in healthcare. What I’m alluding to here is that we all buy into this system (regardless of if we want to or not) rather than challenge it.
Irrelevant
Then their point is valid, I’m just disinclined to champion it because of shitty third party actors. I will acknowledge it’s validity though.
Ideal world
I’m not trying to remove sex from this particular issue but highlight that this issue is a smaller part of a systemic problem
The argument shouldnt be men vs. women, but people vs. those who exploit us, or people vs. the problem
This is what I tried to hint at.
This is kind of incorrect. The leading cause of death (in the US) is heart disease, followed by cancer:
https://www.voronoiapp.com/healthcare/What-are-the-leading-causes-of-death-for-men-and-women-4775
Obviously those affect both men and women, but men are represented higher in both causes. Heart disease and cancer absolutely have large research groups focused on them, they aren’t being ignored by society at large.
Cancer is a really broad cause of death. The cancer that has arguably the best funded research is breast cancer, which mostly affects women.
This is such gender war dog shit.
The elite and society at large doesn’t care about anyone in the lower classes, man or women, young or old.
are we really calling awareness of gender issues gender war? how do you expect gender issues to be resolved if no one’s allowed to talk about them?
turns out there’s some pretty major issues with the gender binary, but I’m not sure how you expect to fix that without talking about it. it’s fair to say capatilism is part of the root cause but reducing it to solely that is a little disingenuous.
Ok to your second sentence, but it is proven over and over again that health care for women is at a much lower standard than for men. Less funding, less research, less care. Those are objective facts. Calling that out is not creating a gender war its identifying a drastic gap that has been written about in countless medical journals for decades.
The wealthy and powerful see the bodies of the working class the same way they see the natural resources of the planet. When all your value has been extracted, your husk will be cast aside or used as a means to extract wealth or value from someone else.
I mean, let’s be honest, it would have to be rich white men losing 20%, then we would find a cure, and price it so that anyone else couldn’t afford it, even if it cost like $12 to make
They won’t cure something that they can profit from by making something a subscription.
~Baldness. Erectile Dysfunction. Incontinence.~
Same principal that IT works off of now. Hey, get rid of the email client you’ve been comfortably using for years, and instead buy this jankier version that you need to pay a subscription for…
The anti vaxx movement was a conspiracy by big pharma to get people to stop taking the cheapest way to prevent disease, so that they can profit on the expensive ways to treat those easily preventable diseases.
Ah. The insulin racket
* US insulin racket. Be specific.
They do. Men lose bone density as well, just at a slower rate. It’s at about 20% when men are 60 instead of 50.
It’s actually even worse than it sounds.
This is a solved problem. Resistance training is incredibly effective at not just preventing but totally reversing bone loss in women. That is on top of about a hundred thousand other proven benefits of training. Literally 30 minutes a week at planet fitness with a halfway decent plan can gift you 30+ quality adjusted life years.
But how do we treat this proven, accessible, miraculous cure to this life threatening problem that every woman faces? Well, we endure extreme societal pressure to avoid lifting weights at all costs of course! Wouldn’t want to accidentally become too manly!
Literally everyone should be sickened by this state of affairs
This is a solved problem.
That’s a really goddamn bold claim that you don’t bother to back up. Here’s a 2025 systematic review and meta-analysis exploring our current understanding of how resistance training improves bone mineral density in postmenopausal women.
Here’s their conclusion:
Resistance training can beneficially influence BMD [bone mineral density] in postmenopausal women, particularly at the LS [lumbar spine], FN [femoral neck], and TH [total hip]. A high-intensity training regimen (≥ 70% 1RM [1-rep max]) performed three times per week with a longer training duration may be optimal. However, significant heterogeneity among the included studies for LS and FN bone density may affect the accuracy of the pooled results, thereby limiting the generalizability of these findings. More high-quality clinical trials are needed to confirm these findings.
So it’s good. Nobody would deny that it’s good. The problem is when you start throwing around terms like “solved” and “miraculous cure” to complex medical problems without anything to back it up – especially in an era of rampant medical disinformation.
I wonder how it looks for women who started before menopause though rather than after.
I think the previous comment was rather hyperbolic, but to a degree it’s true. I wouldn’t call it solved, obviously, since removing all other factors, women experience more osteoporosis and overall bone loss than men in general. Though when we consider activity, it’s more common for men to be physically active in general, and higher overall muscle mass means greater bone density in the longer term, to my understanding.
But also, most of western society is extremely sedentary, and there is a certain inertia when it comes to encouraging physical fitness as a solution. People do tend to want a magic pill for things. Just look at all the fervor over Ozempic.
Incredibly disingenuous of you to phrase it as “unable to deny that it’s good” while posting irrelevant snippets from studies. Yes, research is still ongoing on how much resistance training is needed to reap the full benefits. Research of this type will always be ongoing.
Meanwhile, the consensus of all medical experts is that women should be training because it has the power to reverse the course of this debilitating illness, among about a hundred thousand other significant benefits. We’re not at the “looking into it” stage, we’re at “the mayo clinic officially recommends training” stage.
Everyone with an idea of how debilitating illnesses usually play out will have correctly identified this as a being a miracle. You, like me, should be rejoicing in this fact and going out into the streets to yell this news at everyone who will listen.
It is such a sadness that women have for so long been robbed of their opportunity to partake in training due to stigma
I gotta say though, there are a ton of women lifting at the gyms I’ve gone to
Same with mine! There’s been a lot of outreach and acceptance and many women have discovered that training can be a joy. I think much credit can also be granted to the sport of women’s powerlifting, which is growing rapidly
I’ve never heard of a guy not wanting their girl to do strength training, that just makes the girl hotter…
Maybe that’s like an old person thing? Like gen x and older?
Not sure it’s a generation thing. For example, Gen X grew up with ladies workout videos, thigh master, the little white guy with the Afro, etc. Could this be a reaction to the body positivity movement?
Maybe it’s not a “this is what men desire” thing but rather a “this is what society as a whole expects of women” thing
Will be even more fun when the ozempic / wegovy / semaglutude users start falling apart.
It’s a serious concern. To properly lose weight with the support of these drugs you need resistance training and to eat right
Funny enough, Cory Doctorow covered something similar in his book Makers. There was a therapy (I forget, either injection or gene therapy) that led to obese people being able to eat whatever they want and still get thin. They ended up essentially skeletal and brittle in the end over years, turned out it’s very bad for you and they ended up needed to eat like 10k calories a day to survive.
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Isn’t this a case for hormone replacement therapy? I thought physicians recommend it nowadays.
