Not really windows related but my work wonders why as an IT guy I think it’s a bad idea to force updates the day they come out.
There’s a reason why there is a Windows NT 4 Service Pack 6a…
The company I work for is currently in the process of switching from our own server and email client to Outlook and OneDrive. It’s gonna be a fucking nightmare when we switch.
Not IT, but my fortune 500 employer has been on MS365 since my day one. Judging by the issues we fight with every day with those products, may God help you.
When my work forced the transition from 10 to 11 is when all of my computer issues began.
Just amazing work coming out of the slopShop recently.
There’s an argument to be made that it’s better than what was previously released, given there are over 200 vulnerabilities to begin with. Though, Microsoft was slop long before AI
200?! Jesus. For what people are paying for it I’d expect 0. Goddamn.
Breaking onedrive? I’m confused. It’s like that thing in Southpark “How do you kill that which has no life?”
Things can always get more broken. That’s where mortals have an advantage; you can’t get any deader.
No, but you can rack up illnesses…to a point.
Clickbait and misleading. Nothing “broke”. The recycling bin works just fine, the name of the file in the confirm delete popup is just displayed wrong.
It isn’t the details or severity of the break that matters.
It’s that the quality control process is SUPPOSED to catch that, and whatever sorry excuse for a process they’re using now ALLOWED a break that was obvious, visible, and repeatable, inside a critical, core function of the operating system, to make it to the end users, something that should trigger as an immediate, flashing warning light. That means the entire quality control process at the very least is SEVERELY compromised and unreliable, and there could very easily be MUCH more severe vulnerabilities and bugs hiding underneath that AREN’T immediately visible. To anyone who has done any professional development for non-disposable code bases, this isn’t a whisper of a problem - it’s an air horn.
Developer written unit tests likely wouldn’t even catch that bug with the recycling bin, because it doesn’t even matter what the text says when it’s being deleted. It’s not a breaking bug. It wouldn’t hold up a release. It might have even been found in QA and might have a super low priority ticket to fix it because again, it’s non breaking and doesn’t affect anything in any way.
You don’t understand how software dev QA works, clearly.
Yeah. I’ve only been a veteran of the process for 20 years - I don’t know a thing about what I’m talking about.
“non-breaking” is a meaningless distinction. What you’re REFERRING to is a “cosmetic” bug, and “cosmetic”, depending on the software and the shop, does NOT mean “acceptable for release”, and FURTHERMORE, this is not a new bug that’s been filed as low priority or will-not-fix, but a REGRESSION because it DID work in the past, which means it’s DOUBLE damning.
I’m not interested in waving around credentials about who knows more about software development - if you work in a shop that doesn’t care about quality, that’s between you and the shop. But if you want to claim that someone at Microsoft said “Yeah, it doesn’t correctly reflect the filename, a critical check to ensure users don’t accidentally delete the wrong file, which is something that’s worked for 30 years” and then signed off on that, instead of the MUCH more likely explanation that NOBODY is looking at ANY of this crap with the detail they should be, I’m afraid I’m going to have to laugh.
To give you an idea, in the XBox division, a division of Microsoft, this would be considered a compliance failure that prevents a game from going gold for launch on the platform, and if caught would cost the developer thousands and weeks to fix before the game could go live because it would necessitate starting the final step of the certification process over again, because EVERY SINGLE TEST has to be run again to ensure JUST this kind of regression doesn’t resurface.
But no - the same company would claim it’s totally acceptable for the operating system that runs bank software because it’s “non-breaking”.
Non-breaking isn’t meaningless - it means it doesn’t break anything. It means it doesn’t affect users, and thus it’s not going to be high priority or be enough to block a release.
They understand it as much as Microsoft does, given the evidence
AI found the exploits, and they clearly used AI to fix the exploits… That about as far as the QC conversation went
That sounds kinda broken…
I have seen things mislabeled in Linux in the past, I’ve also seen minor bugs in Linux. It’s not broken if the software still works fine. Bugs happen with or without AI.
Linux doesn’t charge hundreds of dollars per license to fund the development, rake in billions in profit, and then funnel that money into stock dividends instead of a proper quality assurance team.
Depends on the distro.
Hundreds of dollars per license, and they still run ads in the os…
Linux is zero dollars and shows zero ads…
Ubuntu has ads
*had one ad like 10 years ago
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It’s not. Broken means it doesn’t work. Everything about deleting files works. The file you told it to delete gets deleted. The only “issue”, in the absolute least problematic use of the word, is that it displays an internal name rather than the regular file name of the file as it’s being deleted.
It’s not broken if it works exactly as it’s supposed to.
Lol, yeah that’s definitely broken
What exactly is “broken” about the recycling bin because of this?
Does the recycling bin still work?
Does the right file get deleted?
You’ve got a strange definition of broken.
Does the right file get deleted?
I literally do not know because the dialog box might be wrong
The answer is yes. It does.
Well I hope you’re right, otherwise the wrong file will be gone forever.
Seems to be only one way to find out as well.
it defeats the purpose of a confirm dialogue if it doesn’t correctly tell you what you’re confirming…
No it doesn’t. You still have to click delete on the file that you want to delete. Confirm boxes don’t even need to show the name of the file you’re deleting, just confirm if you want to delete it. When you empty the recycle bin it doesn’t ask you if you’re sure you’d like to delete x, y, and z file names, for example.
If I want to permanently delete a specific file from the recycle bin?
So, nothing broke, except the thing that broke. Gotcha.
Broken means it doesn’t work. Everything about the recycling bin functionally works.
So where is it pulling that data from?
What other file identifying functions are broken in a similar manner?
Read the article:
the confirmation dialog displays a cryptic internal filename, such as $Rxxxxx.ext, instead of the original filename, such as realfilename.txt.
Sounds like Copilot code.
Love that my work laptop had a forced rollout to Win 11. Excuse to have a break when it breaks.
our work desktops have the cringey ass UI, the search bar and the minimize bar in the middle, who thought of that.
You can change taskbar alignment if you right-click on it.
No idea who thought centre alignment was a good idea.
I just assumed they were trying to copy Apple, rather than having an original idea.
center alignment is great on my 49" monitor, but that shit immediately goes to the left on every other device i have
I dusted off my 14 year old gaming pc, wiped windows 10 off it and installed Linux .int and hadn’t looked back. Glad my PC wasn’t eligible for a windows 11 upgrade…
is there any anecdotal evidence that IT departments are at least considering, thinking about, having an initial assessment of doing anything but just buying whatever slop microsoft is spewing out?
kinda feels like until the river of gold from enterprise sales slows there is no downside to microsoft burning their platform.
my anecdote is that no, IT is still a MS crack addict.
Nobody gets fired for buying Microsoft.
People can barely use Windows and it’s been around for 30 years.
I am not teaching 180+ staff how to use Macs or Linux.
I’m not an MS fanboy by any means, but my job is hard enough without adding extra shit sprinkles on top.
Fuck that.
You obviously have zero knowledge about working in that environment.
I am not teaching 180+ staff how to use Macs or Linux.
It’s not like they know how to use Windows either.
Yeah , most of the people in our IT don’t know how to use windows, much less teach anyone else about it.
They just try, and often fail to lock it down so that people can’t break it. They remote in and make something slightly less bad and say, “well that was all setup wrong”. but they never teach anyone a thing - or apparently learn how to use install all this ms shite they buy before they force it on us.
I think that’s the real issue with linux. IT people don’t want to learn it, and learn how to secure it - because many of them - especially the mamagers have got imposter syndrome about windows or something or stockholm syndrome, i dunno…
At least when they fuck it up with miscsoft they can often blame MS - and often they’ve got a reasonable case ans MS does seem to keep fucking them over with updates.
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day to day people who don’t care about computers as a hobby memorize the steps to using their computers along with the icons. The average person couldn’t use Linux in a work environment simply because they lack critical thinking skills required to use a slightly different computing environment. Your everyday middle management refuses to cut productivity for long term change that isn’t overwhelmingly positive to their bottom line.
I’m curious what the people down voting you thought. You’re 100% right. Critical thinking is in surprisingly short supply. If I provide instructions with pictures that have big red circles and an arrow around what they need to click for each step, I still need to make sure the instructions aren’t more than like 7 steps otherwise they get lost.
Most people - especially those without critical thinking - are clicking buttons in browser based CRM systems. Or using some other web-gui hold their hand and query or transact with a database. OS makes no difference to them.
Even my very slow public sector org has moved most of its database interfaces to web apps by now - though i think there re still two important native windows (probably DOS) applications.Apart from those something like Chrome OS or OSX would probably be best for them - they just need a stable, up to date web browser.
with cloud storage, and even MS pushing people to web apps, even paper pushers working via documents can still just use browser for stuff, and many are.
Lots of people i work with suck so badly at MS Word that they don’t even know how shitty the web version is. They literally just click stuff and if the OS opens a web interface, then that’s what they use.
Most of these people use androids or i phones for lots of things, so they certainly are capable of using things that are not windows - they just learn what buttons they need to click to do what. Like they would’ve in the 70s/80s with a unix terminal. Or in the 30s if they were operating a telephone switchboard.
Fair. Thing is, Microsoft are changing windows anyway, what with all the unwanted features they’re integrating.
It’s because they sell all of their products as a vendor package with advertised SLAs and “discounts”.
If your company needs cloud stuff and you happen to want Azure, you’re basically getting locked into Teams.
Unlike specialty software like Adobe, pretty much everything Microsoft offers has feature parity or superior alternatives, it just relies on the fact that businesses aren’t stuck on any one of their products.
There are actually a handful of companies that only use MacOS or Linux, but it requires both your IT team and management to be competent enough to throw MSFT away, which is much harder to do in a legacy settings when your entire domain infara is a 20+ year old AD domain.
The IT dept at my work uses exclusively Microsoft shit. Like, google products are banned on my work phone, as is pretty much everything else. They said this is for security and to help them remain GDPR compliant. As you might imagine, it’s shit.
google products are banned on my work phone
Including Play Store?
Not entirely. It’s an android so it does have the play store, but only about a dozen apps are allowed to be installed. I can’t even install what 3 words, which my work uses constantly. Also I’d like to install the Google swipe keyboard, cos the Microsoft one is shit.
Basically, the combination of a device that’s locked down hard and it only allowing MS products makes my work slower and harder than it needs to be.
Work phones are usually iPhones, so yes
Ha, rich people problems.
Fedora KDE. Looks better. Runs better. Never going back.
Biggest patch Tuesday ever!
I have to use cloud streaming for gaming, Shadow specifically (because it’s the only one that can do mods, emulation and (though not specifically allowed but you gotta be a real idiot to get caught) pirating). While you can run it on most things (Linux and Android for me) the cloud computer is only Windows, and while I absolutely do not want to give any props or positive anything to Microsoft, I’ve had none of the issues with Win11 that have been reported throughout the years. This means nothing, obviously, as it’s only a subjective experience and these things wouldn’t be reported if they weren’t real problems. I’ve just been surprised over and over that I’ve had absolutely no sign of anything I’ve seen so much about. No matter my experience though, fuck microslop.
Weird. Monthly updates used to be pretty harmless with a bunch of little bug fixes that really only affected a few people. Then AI came out, and in the past 6 months or so every patch Tuesday has been a complete disaster. It’s almost as if they laid off a bunch of engineers and now have the remaining ones just vibe coding shit while using the same LLM to do code review and everything is going to hell. Not that it was a phenomenal product to begin with, but when you have engineers vibe coding patches for such a delecate platform, it’s going to end in disaster.
Are you suggesting the patches are fixing issues the AI caused? If so, that isn’t what’s happening. AI is finding vulnerabilities from old human written code at a pace unlike anything before. Not because humans couldn’t technically find them, it’s just that they never did. That isn’t me marketing or shelling out for an AI company, there are many different models accomplishing the same thing, and more to come. It’s not just with Microsoft, though Microsoft has a lot of vulnerabilities to find. AI is causing chaos for just about every major tech company with all the vulnerabilities being found. And they have to find and patch them before someone else uses the AI to find and abuse the vulnerabilities first. The long standing match of cat and mouse is much faster than it once was
This is actually a very valid take, and I didn’t think of it this way. Man, what a complicated landscape AI has made. Pandora’s box certainly has been opened.
Is there a windows 11 update that doesnt break everything?
Serious question, what is causing Microsoft to consistently put out bad products and broken updates?
Copilot
Somewhere around the end of Windows 8, they fired all of their testers
Now they’re using AI to make patches
It’s been a steady decline, not a fast decline
A major problem is backwards compatibility. There is so much infrastructure that would break if they wanted to redo portions of code in a more correct fashion. They have a massive variety of systems, and they’re all integrated. Any time they want to do something, they’re scared of something breaking. This time, AI is finding a shit ton of the vulnerabilities that are in these systems, and at least in part fixing them. It’s unclear how much of the code is written or review by humans. But they’re making changes to try to fix these vulnerabilities, and things are breaking. The Microsoft code is a giant fucking spaghetti mess, which means it’s bloated, slow, insecure, inefficient, and overall shitty. It’s not profitable enough to fix all of this, too. Fixing shit you already have doesn’t get shareholders attentions. So it’s AI in everything instead. New shiny stuff to keep the adult babies with all the money happy
Interesting. I wonder when it will actually collapse in itself in a way where they have to start over
Copilot and C*Os.
Maybe missing code tests?
My work laptop has windows 11, and for some reason I keep losing my mouse pointer. I’ll boot it up and there will just be no cursor. I can reset my graphics driver (which is what googling suggests), enable and disable my mouse in the hardware manager, tweak all kinds of mouse settings - and nothing. Sometimes opening a pdf in the edge browser brings it back, but it can still disappear afterwords.
Also, pulling up the menu to print something can take several minutes. If I need to change printers on that menu, another several minutes. Sometimes, it’ll just crash the entire program I am trying to print from. It’ll also just ignore some settings occasionally - things like landscape versus portrait.
The search feature in explorer is also absolutely broken. You can type in the exact file name of something and it’ll find everything but that file. Even the “recent files” section is broken.
I don’t understand how anyone at Microsoft thinks Windows 11 is an acceptable product. Do they not use it?
they dont, most of them use macs 😪😪
