My problem with what you’re saying is then the expectation becomes that I’m going to give you the education that I paid and took the time for, I’m not getting paid to be your professor and since I’m the senior that we’re not meeting our deadlines falls on me not you. And I’m not talking about just programming knowledge, a CS degree is far more than programming, one of my classes was just how to talk to users and understand what their needs are through interviewing and observing. And I say this is somebody who also dropped out but then went back later and finished my degree.
A diploma is not nothing, I just think it’s not the only thing. Traditional paths just never worked for me and there are others out there too.
I don’t mean to belittle you or people with a degree. I know that’s what it reads as though and I’m sorry for that.
But yes, hiring someone with that experience is going to need to be hand held significantly for years, and that’s something you don’t foist on people. It’s not going to speed a team up, and prior who don’t want to teach aren’t good teachers.
Maturity gap sounds more like a hiring miss on culture fit than an issue with mentoring. More of an org issue IMO. Their education level shouldn’t really matter if they have a good attitude and willingness to be coached.
My problem with what you’re saying is then the expectation becomes that I’m going to give you the education that I paid and took the time for, I’m not getting paid to be your professor and since I’m the senior that we’re not meeting our deadlines falls on me not you. And I’m not talking about just programming knowledge, a CS degree is far more than programming, one of my classes was just how to talk to users and understand what their needs are through interviewing and observing. And I say this is somebody who also dropped out but then went back later and finished my degree.
I definitely said a stupid thing.
A diploma is not nothing, I just think it’s not the only thing. Traditional paths just never worked for me and there are others out there too.
I don’t mean to belittle you or people with a degree. I know that’s what it reads as though and I’m sorry for that.
But yes, hiring someone with that experience is going to need to be hand held significantly for years, and that’s something you don’t foist on people. It’s not going to speed a team up, and prior who don’t want to teach aren’t good teachers.
Part of the job of senior devs is to mentor juniors regardless of their background. Not to gatekeep over your own degree.
There is a big difference between mentoring and dealing with a 4 year difference in education and maturity.
Maturity gap sounds more like a hiring miss on culture fit than an issue with mentoring. More of an org issue IMO. Their education level shouldn’t really matter if they have a good attitude and willingness to be coached.