You could’ve made this image using paint in under 5 minutes, did you really need to waste half a liter of water to have AI generate it?
Liberals call this “purity testing,” but fundamentally the democrats stand for perpetuating capitalism and imperialism. These two points of contention are irreconcilable with any leftist.
“purity testing” more like them gaslighting people into believing that they are left wing and getting defensive when they are proved not to be
Bingo.
If I’m trying to create anything worth anything you’re goddamn right I’m gonna test my ingredients for purity
I agree, though I’d say there’s a difference between criticism and self-criticism with what we think of as “purity testing,” ie demonizing AES or other movements for their imperfections.
I agree, but I also wonder if the Democratic party can be converted from the inside to change it’s focus.
Probably not. I just winder what the best way forward is. It’s not really clear.
The DNC is designed against entryism, and drives its power not from popular support, but wealthy private donors. What’s important is directly organizing on the ground to form a large, working class party, like PSL. Reading theory and organizing are the best things you can do. If you want somewhere to start with theory, I made an introductory Marxist-Leninist reading list you can check out.
The following can all be true:
- The Democrats are a right wing neoliberal party.
- The Democrats are the most left-wing option that is realistically available to American voters.
- The Democrats can be pushed further left if American progressives work to do so.
- The Democrats - at the party level - will resist such a change, but that resistance can still be overcome.
- In the long term, massive structural overhauls and the downfall of capitalism are the only things that will save America and the world
- In the near term, voting consistly and enthusiastically for the least bad option can still protect vulnerable groups from harm and create changes that lay the groundwork for those structural overhauls.
That is their entire point. Two party system means that they can take up all space for opposition to Republicans while making their policies bipartisan.
The Democratic party is entirely built to fight any leftward movement, it isn’t just that the progressives didn’t try. They have been trying for 80 years. It is that the entire party is structured and designed to fight that. That is the actual reason Trump could come from the outside and completely reshape the Republicans, but the Dems can form rank and resist Bernie and the progressives.
The Democrats have shown overwhelmingly and repeatedly that they would rather lose to Republicans than move at all to the left.
Then primary the bad actors and reform the Democrat party.
This is your option. There is no other option than violent revolution and I can assure you from spending my entire life in this country that modern Americans don’t have it in them.
If conservatives can morph the Republican party into the traitorous entity it is now, then liberals can reform the Democrat party to move more to the left.
History proves party reformation is possible, and inevitable.
Liberals will never move left cause they’re pro-capitalism.
It’s not for liberals to move the democratic party left, it’s for everybody that wants the democratic party to change to do so.
The DNC will never change to the point of siding with the working classes, because their base is in their donors and the ones who hold the means of production, wealthy imperialists.
Their base is whoever votes in the primaries.
It took about 7 years for the Republican party to change from the Bush/Cheney era to full on fascism. The democratic party is not immune to a drastic change (hopefully towards the opposite end of the spectrum), but it won’t happen overnight and people that want this change must get involved. Money allows to promote an agenda, helps with organizing a campaign, but ultimately it’s the people who vote.
The GOP moved rightward, because that’s entirely compatible with what the capitalist class is okay with and even wants at times. The DNC, on the other hand, keeps moving rightward despite their voterbase moving leftward, because their base is that very same capitalist class. That’s why politicians lie, it would be very easy to not lie if you were actually basing your support on voters.
Then explain why the entire planet is capitalist and yet other countries have FAR more left leaning parties.
The Democrat party can be moved left if liberal voters make it happen.
EDIT: Yo downvoters, start a violent revolution or keep your fucking downvotes to yourself. Or, better yet, submit an idea, if you can, for what you think can be done. Because in reality, your options are start a violent revolution or reform the Democrat party. There are no viable 3rd parties in America and none are even trying to be viable. Use your fucking brains instead of your fingers to downvote. You are part of the problem.
EDIT 2: Honestly, my bad guys. I didn’t notice I was in .ml. The lack of common sense makes a lot more sense now.
Depends on what you’re talking about, but usually it either means they are in the global south, or have otherwise had a longer history of working class organization or proximity to socialist countries. Not by voting.
Not by voting.
Lol.
Can you provide examples of countries with viable left leaning parties that didn’t get there by voting?
You think working class organization is successful without voting in candidates that champion their cause?
USSR, PRC, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, Nicaragua, Venezuela, etc. were all won through revolution and working class organization. Even then, my point was clearly about the necessity of organizing. It is through working class organizing that politicians and the capitalist class are threatened into giving concessions, not through passively voting for sloganeers and other charlatans.
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Always remember that while The Democratic Party is far from perfect, this is Russian propaganda. The party and the rules it has to play by are changed by voting locally, early, and often. Spreading the voter apathy message that both parties are the same and our votes are inconsequential just gives more power to the oppressors.
4 substantive replies and 13 hours later, your only response is “sigh people disagree with me look how put out I am”?
Does your side have literally anything to say for itself?
A capitalist party being right-wing is basic left/right understanding. Dugin has nothing to do with this.
Why are you linking to a crypto-fascist’s book? Because you bought the narrative that he’s “Putin’s brain”? 🙄
Always remember that Russiagate was bullshit.
- IT Pro: Cambridge Analytica models were exaggerated and ineffective, [UK Information Commissioner’s Office] claims
- Wall Street Journal: Mueller Doesn’t Find Trump Campaign Conspired With Russia
- Jacobin: Democrats and Mainstream Media Were the Real Kremlin Assets
- Washington Post: FEC fines DNC, Clinton for violating rules in funding Steele dossier
- Washington Post: Russian trolls on Twitter had little influence on 2016 voters
- Jacobin: It Turns Out Hillary Clinton, Not Russian Bots, Lost the 2016 Election
- Matt Taibbi: Move Over, Jayson Blair: Meet Hamilton 68, the New King of Media Fraud The Twitter Files reveal that one of the most common news sources of the Trump era was a scam, making ordinary American political conversations look like Russian spywork
- Jacobin: Why the Twitter Files Are in Fact a Big Deal On the Left, there’s been a temptation to dismiss the revelations about Twitter’s internal censorship system that have emerged from the so-called Twitter Files project. But that would be a mistake: the news is important and the details are alarming.
- MSNBC Repeats Hamilton 68 Lies 279 Times in 11 Minutes
- Matt Taibbi: CIA “Cooked The Intelligence” To Hide That Russia Favored Clinton, Not Trump In 2016
- Aaron Maté: Under Trump, the CIA is still covering up its Russiagate fraud
- Matt Taibbi: Note on New Trump-Russia Disclosures Thanks to explosive new document releases, the Russiagate hoax is now exposed, commencing a new era that will be about accountability for the guilty
- Matt Taibbi: No Doubt Left: Russiagate Was a Cover-Up
- Chris Hedges: Why Russiagate Won’t Go Away The cynical con the Democratic Party and the F.B.I. carried out to falsely portray Donald Trump as a puppet of the Kremlin worked, and continues to work, because it is what those who detest Trump want to believe.
Pointing out that the Democratic party and their supporters insisted we have to do a genocide is Russian propaganda sweaty
This image is a Slavic ASIAN deepfake, it never happened😤
And still miles better than the GOP, your point?
Which is their entire platform, which is why the whole thing keeps going further right.
Except the Democratic party doesn’t just block leftward movement. It turns the crank in the same direction, just slower.
Dems as a whole are more left wing today than they were 20 years ago, but cool graphic
This is about the party, not the party’s constituency.
“I am angry the overton window has moved so far to the right, I’m going to blame the folks trying to move it leftward”
What hasn’t happened is an IRL movement around a new party or leader. What has happened is lots of “divide the left” memes and posts. I do wonder who that sentiment serves the most.
Left wing starts are anti-capitalism and anti-imperialism. The democrats are complicit in genocide and take money from AIPAC and only care about pleasing their business owners. Also the DNC is a private corporation
The Democratic National Committee is many things but democratic
https://www.drmikekatz.com/the_dnc_and_rnc_are_private_corporations
https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/WildingDNC.pdf
Moving it leftward is when you support two separate groups of genocidal fascists in Israel and Ukraine and whine at leftists for not tactically supporting the fascists enough
Divide the left
You are not on the left. But I do keep seeing a bunch of “How do you do, fellow leftists? We sure do love voting for the 𝓵𝓮𝓼𝓼𝓮𝓻 𝓮𝓿𝓲𝓵, amirite? By the way fuck communists” memes and posts. I wonder who that sentiment serves the most?
Never forget that the right-left spectrum is a myth
Kinda? The spectrum aspect is a bit iffy and I don’t use it, but there are absolutely socialists on the left and capitalists on the right, and that’s useful for understanding. Trying to argue over which is more or less left or right doesn’t usually matter as much as the left/right distinction outright.
This is how we ended up with Trump again btw.
Turns out supporting genocide makes you look bad. Someone should’ve told Biden and Copmallah.
It’s almost as if your party duopoly consists of two fascist parties.
Always remember that left and right are difficult terms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left–right_political_spectrum
In Germany Harris would have been conservative CDU (the most conservative/right party before the AfD turned up) and Trump would have been in the AfD. However, CDU is still fine. Nothing bad about being conservative. I disagree with most of their opinions but they are valid political opinions. AfD and Trump share political opinions that are undemocratic, dangerous and stupid.
