Would Tails go in cool and good or schizo?
Guys, MacOS isn’t everybody’s taste, especially now. But it does do what it’s trying to do. Windows isn’t succeeding at anything it’s trying to do.
Vibecode will do that to you.
I haven’t coded in years and wanted to pick up python finally. I’m using ChatGPT to demonstrate all the wrong answers to problems and I have to admit it’s a great learning tool for an unexpected reason.
It is productively wrong. All the time. But by screwing with it I can learn why things do or do not work. It does not give me an answer direct but instead guides me through all the possible ways to screw things up and I can learn from that.
I haven’t coded since C++ and Java in high school outside some arduino shit I did for a bit in between and chatGPT has been great and bringing those skills back from cold storage in my brain.
But as far as put in question, get response it’s obviously terrible.
This kind of demonstrates the bigger problem though. Business majors are making decisions and not engineers. And business majors are fucking stupid outside their element.
MBAs do like to think they know everything just because they played the BSG in their senior year.
MacOS is worlds better than Windows, it’s not even close.
Kali Linux as Chad OS suggests this list is as much meme as truth so I wouldn’t worry about the rankings.
Hell, Mac OS is even a certified UNIX operating system, something that even Linux (or GNU+Linux) can’t say.
It’s still a non-FOSS OS which is the real reason it sucks, but it’s a lot better than a lot of people seem to think. Whereas Windows just plain sucks on a usability level too, not just the licensing.
I read a deep dive into the macos “certified UNIX” thing and it’s a scam. I dont remember the details but the certification is obtained only through a set of testing exceptions. The macos used by people is not the macos that is Unix certified.
As a former macos user (2013-2024ish), macos has become IMO a very user hostile experience. It’s not quite as bad as windows, but macos is not the “user friendly, it (mostly) just works and gets out of your way” os it used to be.
I’m full time Linux now and when I have to use macos or windows I cannot believe how user hostile they both are.
Linux is far from perfect, but at least I control my system/os.
The macos used by people is not the macos that is Unix certified.
Could be that they certified the Darwin kernel, but not the commercial offering?
I found the article I read about this, which was published a year ago on OSnews. Here’s the link
As a former macos user (2013-2024ish), macos has become IMO a very user hostile experience.
I haven’t really used Mac OS since Mountain Lion, so that makes me sad to hear, but I’m not really surprised.
Oh hey. You’re me! I’ve historically been a very loyal Mac user who played with Linux here and there, but I’ve been full time Linux for the past few two years.
Sibling from another mother! Tried it a few times over the years here and there just like you, until going full time.
Also got a full homelab going and have been learning python.
The UNIX certification is arbitrary and useless. Windows 11 could get it if they paid for it.
UNIX is irrelevant now anyway. Linux has taken its place, and every commercial UNIX (except for MacOS I guess) is at end of life or in maintenance mode now. They only still exist for a handful of applications that require decades of backwards compatibility.PLEASE! PLEASE UNIVERSE! BRING BACK IRIX!
(and more than just nekoware… I mean a full, fully-FOSS, IRIX.)
*\dreamer*
Yeah ever since that incident at Jurassic Park, UNIX has been in decline.
I know this.
However good it is and however many certificates it has i personally agree with the dogshit classification. It won’t install on any of about 8 computers in my house, including one I bought from apple. Literally unusable to me for the last 10ish years. Windows would probably install on one or two of them I think, so I’ll give it a few hypothetical points for usability for that.
Both got the deal with the devil clauses in their end user agreements, right? That’s bad enough it does not even matter who’s better or worse after that. That’s already bad enough to not be fit to use.
Well it was. It’s got a major update recently which ruined everything. Still better than Windows tho xD
how is windows above macos lol
Because at least you can do gaming on Windows lol
MacOS has no reason to exist.
If you are ok running corporate software just use windows with its huge array of software and compatibility with pretty much everything.
If you want to be cool and different and have problems with software and hardware compatibility run Linux.
MacOS is the Porsche Panamera of operating systems. People just have it because it matches their 911/iThing
MacOS does have a reason to exist. It helps people get rid of those pesky thousands of dollars over-bloating their bank account every 5 years when they are told their Mac is obsolete.
Apple’s chips on the other hand are very nice.
Gentoo is both Chad and Schizo 🧐
they arent mutually exclusive
And Gentoo’s not schizo…
Nor are the rest on that tier… except the one. We all know which one.
honestly based categorization
Arch should be in its own tier: BTW
Yeah: the self-own tier
Sorry, I declare NixOS being in its own tier, actually.
My proposed image for the tier:
Is that GNU at the bottom? If so, bro, this dude don’t get it.
Have you tried to actually use GNU/Hurd?
Yeah, that’s why it belongs next to Arch
Arch is high skill floor high skill ceiling. Once you get good you can do really cool things with it. GNU/Herd is high skill floor low skill ceiling. If you’re really good and practice really hard, eventually you’ll be able to do things that could have been easier achieved with literally anything else.
Some people code recreationally in Malbolge and Befunge
yes in a vm, specificly Debian GNU/hurd, works suprisingly, main issues is lack of hardware support, for usage as a vm guest, I would say it is already better than half of the BSDs
Similar experience.
Except, props to the BSDs (especially OpenBSD), for being so much more coherent systems, as perhaps seen best (or at least easiest) in its man pages.
I have.
It was fine.
This was way back around 2014 iirc.
But then that is not the logo of Hurd, and Hurd is not the point of GNU
It’s kinda part of the original point… to make a complete free software operating system…
Still, was nice that the Linux kernel came along to make things easier than the more advanced approach Hurd was taking.
Linux Libre + GNU, and got the point of GNU none the less. :)
Lol Gentoo over here in two categories
Scitzo-chad gentoo
I think the double input is because while ysing gentoo you are either a szchizo or a chad… there is no in between. Cant confirm, i’m apparently a chad… and a server according to the rest of the community
Cool and good 😎
Doesn’t have Hannah Montana Linux on the list so we know this guys opinion is trash smh
Maybe it is so high above every other category it didn’t fit into the chart
That has to be it.
The super secret super chad level above.
Get Kali out of the Chad tier, please.
If they are a professional using it for thier job… yes, IMO that is Chad tier.
I use macOS as a professional so it should he Chad tier as well? Bad argument.
Kali is a specialized toolset. Like a tricked out car. Pretty cool if you are a pro driver pushing the machine to its limits. But looks pathetic when driven by a high school guy trying to impress chicks
I see no reason to view the chart as anything other than rating them as daily drivers though.
Peak Script-Kiddie Shit.
/r/masterhacker laugh at you too much, op?
Missing Plan 9 from schizo tier.
That tier is my favourite, I just love Gentoo being in there. With Plan 9 it would be perfect!
I enjoy how Gentoo is listed in both chad and schizo tiers.
Is that X OSX? They renamed it back to MacOS.
On top of that, putting it below Windows? This is clearly someone who’s never used one or thinks gaming is the only thing you do on a computer. I’m all for Linux and use it in several places, but it has nothing on MacOS polish. Sure, it’s not perfect, but it’s a far cry from ChromeOS or Windows 11.
I’m all for Linux and use it in several places, but it has nothing on MacOS polish.
Literally why I prefer a Macbook for work and a Linux desktop for gaming. The former just works with a little bit of setup (brew), the latter allows for infinite tinkering and customizability.
To be honest my SO has an older MacBook and using that a couple of times convinced me to absolutely never buy one myself (regarding the os).
I had to google the most basic functions which you can achieve with a right click on other systems
It seems people don’t like my dislike of MacOS lol
It’s surely just you not understanding that the real problem is that you don’t know how to use it while you do know how to use whatever you’re comparing it to.
MacOS doesn’t work exactly like Windows? The hell you say!
You know you’ve got a bad take when someone who doesn’t even like Apple is making fun of you. Just saying.
You can still right click on Mac OS. Two finger press on the trackpad, control left click, or just right click on any normal mouse.
Yeah I know, but I couldn’t figure out how to print stuff apart from pressing ctrl+p
File > print?
MacOS has a different methodology but the idea is most applications do things the exact same way every time, the menu at the top is standardized across software. Take some time to familiarize yourself with basic usage and then just fire up a new program and you’ll see what I mean. Keyboard shortcuts in apps are always the same for the same function. They’re easily accessible. Alt+f4 is fucking not, command+q is. Command+space to search for anything. That existed before MS implemented search in the taskbar. It’s got its ups and downs, but the OS is really tailored to make things accessible.
The reason it’s so wildly different from windows is partly due to a Microsoft going patent crazy on design and ui elements to try and monopolize home computing. Technically a “desktop” is their patent, which is why it’s called a workspace in every other OS. They also have been sued by Microsoft in the past over UX things.
While I loath windows, I would still put it above Mac if only for the ability to put windows on whatever you want. Even if Mac is more polished, the fact that it only works reasonably on vastly overpriced, mostly unrepairable hardware kills any appeal it would have. Add in apple’s tendency to gimp devices as if a three year old machine is at deaths door, and I’ll go to a customized windows os every time.
Also the gaming thing. It’s not pinnacle, but it’s also not trivial.
My MacBook Air is five years old still has 92% battery it’s not even close to deaths door for either me of Apple. My XPS 13 is five years old and has had its battery and thermal paste replaced.
I haven’t played a video game since Oregon Trail was new.
I used my 2011 iMac until two years ago and you can easily install Windows and Linux on a Mac so the whole gaming thing just isn’t a valid complaint. It’s not Apple that makes devs not port to MacOS as much (same with Linux). I have a laptop from 2015 that microshit decided can’t run Windows 11, so they’re even worse. You’re objectively misinformed.
I’ve had my old macbook for twelve years and the whole time it held up punching well above its spec range and running heavy loads. I customized it deeply. Never had to reformat, which instead I had to do more or less once a year on my previous Windows computers. Whenever I asked it to jump it asked how high. I don’t think longevity argument has merit, at least for computers.
I’m highly critical of Apple, their philosophy for proprietary hardware with an aggressive stance against right to repair, and some particular design flaws on specific models of their machines that are unacceptable for the price point they sell their products at. Not to mention their ball coddling of the fascist fuck in the white house.
But MacOS is definitely superior to Windows, game developers not focusing on MacOS be damned. The bloat on Windows is beyond overkill, and MacOS’s Unix based build for ultra specific hardware runs so much more efficiently. I used to play around with a hackintosh back when Mac OS X Lion was around.
Yup bought a MBP in my ignorant youth of 2008. It was beautiful sturdy HW at the time when most windows laptops were creaky plastic turds. After using Ubuntu for a few years Mac OS to me was like a nicer looking easier to use linux. However every 10-20 minutes the screen would flicker just once but it happened all consistently. Multiple report in forums about it and many cases opened but apple did nothing about it. Wouldn’t even acknowledge it was a problem. Finally 5+ years later when most people were moving on they made a bios patch that acknowledged the issue and fixed it.
imagine having to install a whole subsystem to even gain proper environment access and capabilities…
I don’t care for WSL either.
The distributions within the openSUSE project are, in my opinion, the most advanced and complete Linux distributions. They offer tools such as btrfs+snapper, openQA, Secure-boot, Firewall, Yast (Myrlyn+Agama), etc. as soon as the system is installed. No other Linux distribution offers all of this configured immediately after installing the system. In my opinion, the openSUSE project is at the highest level of Linux, offering solutions for most users, fixed distributions such as Leap, rolling distributions such as Tumbleweed, immutable distributions such as Kalpa, etc.
Yeah.
I was not wrong for having suse be my os when I made the leap as a windows refugee in late 2003. It’d still be a great choice for windows refugees these days. Perhaps even the best choice.
You highlight why, very well.
OpenSUSE (and even the corporate version) deserve more praise. They seemed to get out-marketed by Ubuntu. But did not get beat for a better OS.
Preach!
