What the hell is happening in Denmark at the moment??
First forcing the chat control topic upon Europe, now this?
I looked up their government, would have expected far right or so, but it is liberal social democrat…
So what happens here?
My bet is on a lot of bigtech
bribeslobbyingBig Tech has no interest in chat control, though.
They vehemently opposed it from the start.
How the Danish are acting just doesn’t make sense…It’s more complicated than that as control acts as a barrier to entry preventing competitive start ups entering the market and disrupting it so established players probably don’t care as they can bare the cost of compliance if they have to.
Something is rotten in Denmark.
It isn’t just Denmark. You see it here in Sweden, too. I’d be surprised if you didn’t see it across Europe.
I’m not really happy with any of the big political parties here in Sweden. The Greens hate nuclear power so much they’d prefer to open up fossil fuelled power plants than keep nuclear ones up and running. The Left party work really hard to get out of the EU. These are both parties I align the best with.
The Social Democrats are just these milquetoast soft-core conservatives, pretending to care about issues but turning their coats the second they get the chance. Unfortunately they always end up leading any of the left-winged government coalitions, typically with the help from the Centre who then gets to dictate all the policies, so it just ends up being a centre-right government that sells out our welfare to private interests.
It’s been like this for well over a decade at this point. Useless bunch, the lot of them.
Wow, this is quite an interesting read, because you can write almost the same thing - word for word - about Germany. It’s the same overall in Germany with a few differences like time (it has been going on for a lot longer here) and some of the left are a bit different.
Yeah Sweden has been doing great strides toward a full surveillance state, it is creepy as fuck.
All country leaders are looking at North Korea with loving eyes.
I remember how almost twenty years ago people were scoffing at the great firewall of China, how they’d restrict information and what not. Now all western countries are all “we must do this, for the children!”
The social democrats copied a lot of anti immigration talking points from the right because this seems to be just popular in Denmark. I guess they are just weird.
But these laws are not anti immigration, they are anti freedom in general.
Don’t be fooled by the party names. You have to look at the policies and consequences. Danes like to feel progressive, have left leaning stuff like free education and totalitarian measures against stuff they fear. The social democratic party remained in power after Germany moved troops into Denmark in 1940. It should tell you a lot.
There are fascists subverting every location on the political spectrum, none of them are immune. We’ve been trained to think in terms of “left” or “right” but these fuckers are coming at us sideways and corrupting our whole politcal spectrum at once. Don’t fall for it, pay attention to actions, not labels.
Denmark resistance lasted for the whole 6 hours.
Yeah, the time it took to drive from Germany
It’s already been taken off. The guy who requested this is a complete asshole that needs to be thrown out of office immidietly.
I hate journalism so much these days…
Random dude in the parliament: “Let’s all shit our pants.”
“Journalists”: “Denmark wants to shit its pants!!”
The powers that be really don’t like the idea of unmonitored secure networks do they?
What is happening with Europe and the countries within it?
They are not the bastion of liberty that everyone thought they were. Oh look, proved once more. Capitalism corrupts and corrodes every single social program, legislation, and benefit in society.
In a turn that so many people saw coming, social democracy is not immune to the wiles and whims of capital and corruption. Just like any other form of capitalism, it too will decay and dissolve. The rich want nothing but literal, chain and whip slavery over the poor of the world. These assholes are so mentally ill, they genuinely CANNOT stop hoarding, and they are so twisted by power and wealth, they wholly envision themselves as gods.
This is what liberals fail to see: if the rich truly got/ will get their way, we will be chattel slaves for them and then when their AI gets good enough, they will hunt us for sport.
I don’t mean to sound like a tweaking lunatic, but I am so positive that if there is anything that we enjoy or have, the rich want us not to. They are so petty and obsessed, any situation we are in that is not literally beneath their feet is too good for us worthless poors.
We are standing on a MAJOR precipice, the liberal capitalism of old is gone, and they are gunning for everything we are and have now.
Not just capitalism but more Centralization of power in any of its many forms. We have way too much Centralization.
How do you “ban VPNs”? That’s not how software works, and VPNs are… you know, a key part of a bunch of online infrastructure. I get that they mean “ban them to bypass restrictions”, but the entire point of a VPN is you can’t tell from the outside what it’s being used for. You may as well ban thinking about butterflies. You can write it down, but you can’t enforce it.
They’ll do what Russia does with their online services. Have a registration scheme with noncompliant VPNs being outright banned.
Simple when you know which dictator to copy.
I guess that works for VPN services offering servers outside the country. That’s not what VPNs are, though, and you still can’t ban the concept of VPNs having a connection outside the country. VPN software is available open source and all it takes for it to connect abroad is my phone with a VPN connection to my home computer being abroad.
I mean, Russia (and even China) still have people using VPNs all over the place. This (and a lot of the push for age verification and comms backdoors) reeks of barely understanding the desired result and entirely misunderstanding how the tech works.
They just block encrypted connections out of Russia to unknown servers
That’d block google and youtube, even outside a VPN.
They can selectively allow connections to those hosts. They already block ECH connections anyway
I actually want one country to ban VPNs just so every other country can see the fallout or complete lack of enforcement
VPNs are banned in some countries. At least in practice. China comes to mind and please nobody tell me „I have a friend in China and they use one!“ That friend is either breaking the law, or a state agent or foreigner where that law doesn‘t apply. Hotels have that as part of their service for tourists because why the hell would anyone travel to a country with basically no internet? Of course they are exempt.
But Chinese citizens are absolutely not allowed to use VPNs to break through the great firewall. The overwhelming majority wouldn‘t even know how. But of course most of them know at least one person who can.
So in theory the law is useless but in practice it‘s very effective to control information. Whatever the case it‘s nothing a democracy should pursuit. Ever.
You are being absolutely ridiculous. VPNs may be de jure forbidden in China (idk about this even), but de-facto they’re absolutely allowed, nobody is prosecuted for using them, and every young Chinese person can tell you this. You haven’t talked with a Chinese living in China in your entire life.
From the article:
Ma [the one ordered to pay] said the police seized his phone, laptop and several computer hard drives upon learning that he worked for an overseas company, holding them for a month. He was later asked to provide details about his work, his bank details, his employment contract and other information, before being issued with the penalty in August
This person was not “using a VPN”, he was lying to the government about his working status and working for an overseas firm illegally.
There’s nothing illegal about working overseas
i guess we all should have fought back on internet censorship, rather than fallen back on “well i can still vpn”.
Denmark is trying to implement a lot of straight up fascist laws lately…
The whole country wants to ban VPNs?
Or just a small subset of politicians in the pocket of big corporations who see their profits melt because of their own greed?
What’s the difference?
Wut? Are you actually suggesting that the entire population of Denmark (aka, the whole country) is just
politicians in the pocket of big corporations
???
Well, I’m an American, and we’re collectively blamed for the fuckshit our government does, so absolutely yes.
But also, if the Danish government passes a law that goes into effect, how does it matter how many or how few Danes wanted it?
Well, you collectively elected Trump for president.
Twice.
Uh huh, and how’d the Danish government arrive in power?
Same way. But there’s a difference between proposing a VPN ban and nuking a hurricane.
Yeah, Denmark might actually try their stupid idea.
