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I don’t think it’s about to happen in the USA, for context.

Yeah, so people are going to be kinda hostile due to that. You have no real interest in the fediverse.

So you admit you came here to shill for this

Also everyone here unironically thinks you’re a shill. You’re coming to a federated platform promoting big-tech, big-government controls.

ID and age verification for users.

Unaffordable. Not going to happen. This is what would kill the independent internet.

Not exactly, and not for long. Mastodon, for example, is working on end-to-end encryption in messages. Matrix is also private by design.

I meant publicly viewable in the sense of being viewable by the wider audience. Excluding private messages specifically here.

And again, it’s not that I think end-to-end encrypted one-to-one messaging is bad. But if you are going to offer it then you need to be held responsible for it.

So what do you propose then?

Everything on the fediverse is publically viewable (although Piefed has private communities capacity now), but banning DMs is pretty unacceptable really.

If some unique situation where child porn is shared and the instance its on does nothing about it.

But they don’t do that.

It’s not enough to “not allow this”. A person that allows anonymous strangers to use their servers to store information in secret is asking for trouble. They need to take much more care than that.

What extra care should they take beyond deleting it when they find it? Which they do.

And I never said that age-verification is the only solution to this problem. >>

Remember, I originally started this chain by asking you if every single site online should be forced to implement age-ID and you said yes.

100% they would. Yeah.

How would they know?

If child pornography was found to be stored on a host’s server by one of their 1000 users, “I didn’t think you guys would care about a platform with less than 1000 monthly users” isn’t going to be a great argument in courts.

You’re talking here specifically about child pornography. Not just not age-verifying users to access ‘adult’ content. No server, to my knowledge, allows this.

I don’t think the powers-that-be care about the Fediverse at all bro. Legitimately.

It’s far too small. Moreover, it is actually in the terms you refer to - fairly well moderated.

You unironically think that governments are going after hosts that have, in many cases, less than 1000 active monthly users purely because they don’t have age-ID services on their platform?

So what do you propose then exactly? Private messaging isn’t going anywhere.

The easiest is to keep everything public. Just don’t allow 1-to-1 communication at all.

I think removing private messaging would be very unpopular on here. So that’s not going to happen.

Honestly, saying “we can’t afford to take it seriously” is exactly what gets organizations in trouble.

The fediverse isn’t an organisation.

As I asked: How would the government do that? The Forumverse has 40k members (which is tiny) and it’s split up into over 100 instances.

How can the fediverse police itself here?

Let us know what you propose.

Yes. And I also believe the fediverse community should take this problem more seriously than it currently does, and not just wait until the government forces them to take it seriously.

How would the government do that? The Forumverse has 40k members (which is tiny) and it’s split up into over 100 instances.

Who do they try and talk to?

How can the Fediverse “take it seriously” when they simply can’t afford to?

There’s far more reasons to not trust them, but your grievances here would absolutely force all of us onto big tech as all smaller forums and communities would be forced to shut down.

I’m open to better alternative ideas, but I really haven’t heard any.

Can you tell me how you it is logistically viable to conscript tens of thousands of websites to implement age-ID?

You do realise you’re interacting on a platform that would shut down if they had to do this because they can’t afford it.

Should every single platform online be compelled to implement age-ID?