If you have examples of pacifism being effective against fascism, I’m quite open to having my mind changed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_Power_Revolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnation_Revolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velvet_Revolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaceful_Revolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overthrow_of_Slobodan_Milošević
Sorry, you’re calling what is happening in Syria a good example? Do you know how many people died? Also in the Spanish Civil War?
It’s great how people here are willing to sacrifice so many innocent lives on their behalf.
All you have is two months. Then the genocide begins. Sorry. If you wanted armed revolution to happen, it’s too late. They’re already building the concentration camps.
So you have no actual ability to train people to fight in this revolution of yours and you have not gathered anyone together. I assume you haven’t raised any funds or stockpiled any armor (let alone weapons). You have two months to achieve your goal. And yet this sounds achievable to you?
You’re not going to be able to train those like-minded people in military tactics over the internet.
What are your own experience in military tactics anyway? You don’t seem to know how to spell ‘guerilla’ since you keep spelling it like the animal, so I’m not so sure you have much.
Okay, so who are you gathering up to train? Because just telling people your plan on social media and expecting it to happen in two months is not especially realistic.
If by, “we are not at that point yet,” you mean that it’s 1932 and Hitler is going to take power in two months and then it will be too late, sure.
then we would need an insurgency.
Then, as I said, it will be too late. There were plenty of insurgencies against the Nazis. They didn’t work.
It was not a counter argument because the black panthers were not fighting back against a genocidal regime, which is what queer people are facing. If Jews marched around Nazi Germany with guns, they would have just been picked off by snipers from rooftops.
That’s literally what I said:
I think that you should think of it as personal protection rather than preparation for something larger.
You’re saying collective action with firearms is needed. Which, as I already showed, is probably doomed to failure.
I don’t remember the Black Panthers starting a guerilla war like what you’re advocating for.
When is this guerilla war going to be “needed?”
So when are you going to start shooting?
How many innocent people died in those wars? It’s not very nice of you to be willing to put their lives on the line like that.
And you can see why, from what I already wrote, that is not likely to work unless the majority is on your side. And the military.
What a bunch of slave-owners thought about guns hundreds of years ago is not really relevant to today.
And if you’re going to attack someone for thinking people should be armed for the wrong reason, maybe you should find better targets.
I do not blame any woman or queer person arming themselves in the U.S. right now. But I think that you should think of it as personal protection rather than preparation for something larger.
Be aware of this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmament_of_the_German_Jews
The Jews of Germany constituted less than 1 percent of the country’s population. It is preposterous to argue that the possession of firearms would have enabled them to mount resistance against a systematic program of persecution implemented by a modern bureaucracy, enforced by a well-armed police state, and either supported or tolerated by the majority of the German population. Mr. Carson’s suggestion that ordinary Germans, had they had guns, would have risked their lives in armed resistance against the regime simply does not comport with the regrettable historical reality of a regime that was quite popular at home. Inside Germany, only the army possessed the physical force necessary for defying or overthrowing the Nazis, but the generals had thrown in their lot with Hitler early on.
Obviously, women and queer people are a lot more than 1% of the population, but you can’t count on every queer person being on the right side and you certainly can’t count on every woman to be on the right side.
What do the “Trump won’t actually be that bad” people that I’ve been seeing on Lemmy in the last few days have to say about this?
There are 2-5 solar eclipses every year and people still went nuts and committed murder this time.
I had no idea there were so many people who were against a UBI on Lemmy. I’m honestly surprised.
It was enough of a Nazi salute for the head of France’s far-right party, who are Nazis, to cancel his planned speech.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/21/steve-bannon-jordan-bardella-nazi-salute-cpac