I get what you meant, I was just making a little joke, though I feel like there’s a huge difference between shitty ui that can’t be bypassed and reasonable ui that still can’t be bypassed. The latter is usually managable and tolerable.

I personally prefer having both options but in general I go with a UI.

otherwise you end up with windows

Windows without the garbage? I’m okay with that.

Have seen similar comments on that specifically on mint before, does mint have a particular problem with it? I used timeshift to restore manjaro a couple of times and it was very confusing but I assumed it was just me.

I did test it on manjaro kde, not exactly the same, last test run seemed fine in everything but some games and having to select the game each time on obs, I was actually preferring it over x11 if not for some problems

You’re inserting blame on Wayland that wasn’t there.

I am yet to have a successful testrun of wayland, closest I’ve had was everything seemed to work fine but some games would straight up not work. I’m sure it would be just fine if I installed a distro that had it by default but at that point it’s way beyond the convenience I’ve heard so much about.