As I initially checked the Wikipedia article for Uyghur Genocide it took me about 1 minute to find that the article had his name spread all over it and the sources it cited. He works for the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, which is funded by the USA.
Every source you check eventually circles back to him. There is also not really any video or photo evidence, compare this to the terabytes of videos of the gaza genocide. There is like 1 or 2 picture that shows a prison and curled up inmates, this doesnt look good but still better than Guantanamo or the El Salvadorian prisons.
China accuses the USA of funding terrorists in that region, which also lacks good sources but given the USA track record of funding separatists for regime change for example in 1953 Iran “coup d’état” and the USA listing China as their enemy number 1 e.g. in their newest national security strategy paper, it doesnt seem too far fetched.
Yes this doesnt mean there cant be possibly any wrong-doing on the Chinese side but the evidence for that is scarce at best and manufactured at worst.
The one China policy is also a direct result from China winning WW2 against Japan, Japan used to colonize Taiwan and genocided the Chinese. Imagine questioning other results from WW2 like Polands indepence.
Also the british used to occupy Tibet and looking at other british occupations like Palestine or Sudan (with Egypt) it gets pretty clear that they left nothing but chaos. So given all this history it, to me, seems justified that China wants to keep their country together and looking at satellite pictures from Xinjiang we dont see rivers of blood like in Sudan or thousands of pictures of child amputees like in Palestine.
Its really convenient how in the West every separatist movement like Catalonia in Spain or the Reichsbürger in Germany is immediately not valid, why all separatist movements of the Wests “adversaries” are immediately legit.
Is Amnesty International a fundamentalist right wing organization, captured by Adrian Zenz?
They do cite him five times in their report on the subject, but their report does contain a total of 718 sources.
This is not to say that their report should be treated as uncritically correct, but neither should their claims be dismissed outright because of an anticommunist having been a part of doing research on the subject.
To illustrate - Candace Owens, a well known right-wing agitator and all-round piece of shit frequently speaks out against Israel. This does not, very obviously not, make Israel good.
I didn’t read the entire thing but citing Adrian Zenz 5 times is not the only problem, the thing with Adrian Zenz is that other sources also cite him.
For example one the source is buzzfeed(heh) and the first one that I clicked: The police state of the future is already here also has Adrian zenz 5 times.
This thing is a mess.
but their report does contain a total of 718 sources.
And how many of those sources cite Zenz themselves?
Feel free to figure that part out. At a cursory glance, a not-insignificant part was information sourced directly by Amnesty.
I have figured it out: many of them. And no, Amnesty did not produce a significant amount of primary evidence. You’re just straight up lying now.
I have figured it out: many of them.
Great! I salute your rigour in the matter. How many of them was it?
And no, Amnesty did not produce a significant amount of primary evidence. You’re just straight up lying now.
There are 430 hits for “Amnesty International interview” as sources.
Who knows, maybe they just interviewed Adrian Zenz for all of those claims. The joke would very much be on me in that case
Great! I salute your rigour in the matter. How many of them was it?
Maybe you should have some rigour yourself, rather than immediately descending into bad faith time wasting.
There are 430 hits for “Amnesty International interview” as sources.
And how many interviews does that correspond to? Who was interviewed and what did they actually say? When you strip out all the unsubstantiated Zenz stuff, how much of the story is still left?
From the report: This report is a product of field and remote research carried out between October 2019 and May 2021. The report’s findings and conclusions are based on first-hand testimonies that Amnesty International gathered from former detainees of the internment camps and other people who were present in Xinjiang after 2017, as well as from an analysis of satellite imagery and data. The report also draws on testimonial evidence and confidential government documents gathered and analysed by journalists, scholars, and other human rights organizations. One hundred twenty-eight people were interviewed for this report: 55 former detainees of internment camps in Xinjiang (39 men and 16 women), 15 other witnesses who lived in or visited Xinjiang since 2017, and 68 family members of people from Xinjiang who are currently missing or detained. The majority of the interviewees were Kazakh, a minority were Uyghurs, and a small number were Kyrgyz or Han Chinese.
as well as from an analysis of satellite imagery and data.
Wow, that is sneaky: making it sound like the did the analysis themselves, when they actually got it from the right wing military industrial think tank ASPI
The majority of the interviewees were Kazakh, a minority were Uyghurs
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Yeah?
I’ve never heard of any of these western sources you’re citing…
I do have uyghur friends though. Are they fake too?
My Uyghur friends keep mogging me with their jawlines, food, culture, and their happy lives in China.
“my friends” is not valid evidence of genocide , thousands of pictures of dead children and destroyed cities is
Nobody ever accused china of bombing cities and murdering children. You’re thinking of israel.
Genocide can take forms other than bombing and starvation.
Residential school system in Canada is considered a form of genocide on the native population. We dont have to literally bomb them out of existence to be considered a bad thing
and yet majority of people that accuse china of genocide deny israel doing genocide
Make a claim
i really don’t understand all these people on .ml (who clearly aren’t chinese) bootlicking for china
look, i’m a “communist” as well… i hate capitalism, blah blah blah… you guys are right about so many things. china is great, the west fucking sucks. i 100% agree…
but i don’t understand why it has to extend to, “ALL criticism of china is invalid”… china has a clear objective of unifying the nation and the culture. and that means pushing out the non-han minorities such as the uyghur people.
is this achieved through extreme violence? of course not. that’s barbaric and not-subtle.
china knows how to play the long game. decades if needed. the west doesn’t see anything beyond a 4 year election cycle…
There is good criticism of China, but the problem with how Xinjiang is portrayed is that it’s the most reactionary, anti-communist people that are pushing the genocide theory the most. They armed seperatists and radicalized them in order to foment a block in the Belt and Road Initiative. The idea that China is pushing out non-Han ethnicities is wrong, China’s NPC has great minority representation, ethnic minorities are well protected, and Uyghur culture is flourishing.
