• artyom@piefed.social
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    5 hours ago

    if whatever alternative platform he uses (which you proposed could be his own website) can’t facilitate a bunch of other creators moving over, then his effort is useless against the whole issue of Twitch

    …no? It isn’t. He doesn’t have to support anyone else in order to not support Twitch.

    Other than that, I would recommend checking out the Owncast directory to see how a federated streaming network can work. Or even look at the current state of podcasts and just apply that logic to streaming.

    People don’t want to have to use 10 different platforms to follow the stuff they’re interested in. They want their one platform to show most of the content

    The only reason that doesn’t already exist is because Big Tech doesn’t want it to. They could all turn on Federation and make that a reality tomorrow. Again, I refer you to The Owncast directory to see what that future could look like.

    I fully agree, but it doesn’t help unless there’s enough content “somewhere else”

    Once again, chicken and egg. There will never be content somewhere else until someone puts it there.

    GOG doesn’t suck at all, and sees much smaller sales numbers than Steam

    That’s because they only have DRM-free content, which means they have ~1\1000th of Steam’s library, if that.

    Personally I don’t buy from them because they don’t support Linux/Proton, even though they totally could. So I have to choose between free games or a free OS.

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      4 hours ago

      …no? It isn’t. He doesn’t have to support anyone else in order to not support Twitch.

      Him alone supporting or not supporting Twitch means absolutely nothing for Twitch, but quite a bit for his viewership. Just moving one creator off the biggest platform accomplishes nothing.

      The only reason that doesn’t already exist is because Big Tech doesn’t want it to

      And I don’t see a universe where Big Tech is going to change its’ tune either unfortunately.

      Or even look at the current state of podcasts and just apply that logic to streaming.

      Basically every podcast is available on Spotify and Apple Podcasts, some of the major ones also on YouTube. How’s that different from streaming?

      Once again, chicken and egg. There will never be content somewhere else until someone puts it there.

      And I’m saying there’s no point unless it’s a coordinated effort. A single creator being unavailable on Twitch changes nothing, except that single streamer’s visibility. It would have to be a ton of people streaming outside of the mainstream platforms for people to forget about Twitch.

      That’s because they only have DRM-free content, which means they have ~1\1000th of Steam’s library, if that.

      Aye, but even games they DO have, they sell less than Steam, despite offering a technically superior product (DRM-free).

      Personally I don’t buy from them because they don’t support Linux/Proton

      Their website runs fine on Firefox on Linux and you can use any number of utilities to run games with Proton and manage prefixes, such as Bottles, umu, etc. Heroic even provides a unifying launcher for GOG and a few other windows-only stores. Are you saying the convenience of the more proprietary platform is keeping you from using the less proprietary one? You can see how it’s the same for 99% of humanity and corporate streaming services, right? The competing service needs to win on multiple points to overcome the convenience and familiarity of the existing.

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        Just moving one creator off the biggest platform accomplishes nothing.

        We’ve already discussed several times precisely how it does. If you don’t agree, that’s fine, but you can stop repeating the same nonsense over and over.

        And I don’t see a universe where Big Tech is going to change its’ tune either unfortunately.

        Not as long as people like you continue to advocate against it.

        Basically every podcast is available on Spotify and Apple Podcasts, some of the major ones also on YouTube. How’s that different from streaming?

        Because they’re also available without them. And YouTube does not have podcasts.

        And I’m saying there’s no point unless it’s a coordinated effort. A single creator being unavailable on Twitch changes nothing, except that single streamer’s visibility

        Brother you can’t just start at 5 million. Everything starts at one. Fortunately there are already hundreds, but none of them as influential as the mayor of NYC.

        Their website runs fine on Firefox

        I don’t care about their website. I want a client where I click a button and the game launches.

        Heroic even provides a unifying launcher for GOG

        It only works like 10% of the time. While Steam works 99%. Even when it works it doesn’t support a bunch of features that GOG desktop does.

        Are you saying the convenience of the more proprietary platform is keeping you from using the less proprietary one?

        No I’m saying one supports free operating systems and the other doesn’t.