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The irony of this being on wired, that hides everything besides the headline and first paragraph behind a paywall.
I find it pretty funny that some jerkoff who works for facebook is complaining about privacy violations. The companies entire business model relies on disrespecting privacy.
Finally, an excuse to wokely hate people who stock shelves at grocery stores.
Kroger, one of the US’s largest grocery chains, has said that data is one of a few “alternative profit” businesses that could add $1 billion in profit to the company. Right now, those businesses generate about $150 million in profit, The Markup reported.
Seriously, Fuck off
You can’t have it both ways, comrade: Either you use this to locally harass cashiers, or you admit you made a bad comment that’s strangely popular among leftists.
Face eating leopards & all that
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So do fast food chains and supermarkets. Please don’t be rude to the next person that serves you food.
Mcdonald’s isn’t trying to get me to vote against my own free will by exploiting my user data dude.
I’m cool with eating garbage cheeseburgers because my Metadata is being used to manipulate me into thinking it’s great. I’m not cool with eating the actions of garbage politicians because my Metadata is being used to manipulate me into thinking they’re great.
You forgot to explain why you were angry at this individual and not the company. Apparently, today’s leftist rage is focused on workers.
Here’s the thing snowflake, I didn’t forget shit. I’m simply mad at this person’s poor argument, not the person that made it. Something that atrophied lump of old socks you call a brain likely can’t process without a diagram written in crayon explaining it.
The above is far closer to what rage actually looks like. The only reason you feel it’s “left” is because of your massive insecurity about the 99.9% of the world that exists outside the political bubble you’ve adopted in place of an actual personality.
Nothing I said has anything to do with workers, or politics. You’re just another loud ignorant insecure rightoid snowflake too afraid to leave the conservative testube to even try to think for themselves.
Please respond so I can keep dunking on your simple and obvious ignorance to my own delight.
What did the engineer say that triggered your leftist compassion? Be specific.
I don’t want to live in a world where humans—employees or otherwise—are exploited for their training data.
So evil. Enjoy your five minutes hate, comrade!
Good thing I never said that you ball chortling waste of oxygen. Sorry you’ve grown so accustomed to being a used cumsock for billionaire pedofiles that you’ve lost all basic sense of reading comprehension for words that don’t immediately felate fascism.
Compassion is human, you uncooked humonculous. Every human ever born needs it from their parents and community in order to survive past the age of 0. For a human, you suck absolute bottom tier ass at being one. You’d know this if you had any individuality instead of the crusty and heavily exploited payslot that you’ve been turned into.
Are you okay, comrade? I asked what he said actually triggered your outpouring of leftist decency in defense of the CEO class.
I’m feeding the troll one last time:
We’re upset with this person in particular because they’re a goddamn hypocrite, who would absolutely immediately use the same tools their bosses use to spy on them if the tables were turned.
Now I don’t want to see or hear anything else from you. We’re done. You have your answer, you’ve gotten your answer with almost every single reply to each of your comments in this thread.
Go away.
Ah, vengeful fanfiction that contradicts what the person actually wrote. I expected nothing less from a troll who believes everybody is impure (except you, apparently).
No, fast food and supermarkets primary business model is to sell you food. The privacy violations are just a bonus. Facebooks primary business model is to violate your privacy. The fact that you can talk to your friends is just a bonus.
In other words, the only thing that prevents you from hating shelf stockers at your grocery store is the assumption their employer doesn’t sell data? I have bad news for you, unless you really enjoy hating workers.
Kroger, one of the US’s largest grocery chains, has said that data is one of a few “alternative profit” businesses that could add $1 billion in profit to the company. Right now, those businesses generate about $150 million in profit, The Markup reported.
Are they aware of it? The workers I mean. Does their activity of stocking shelves directly contribute to the data selling?
Your argument is kinda of shitty and pathetic.
I mean it’s one thing to say be a restaurant worker at a bomb factory, and another to be a designer trying to figure out how each bomb can kill more people.
If you work at Facebook, you know what you are doing.
Does their activity of stocking shelves directly contribute to the data selling?
As much as a Facebook employee fixing a bug with scrolling. So evil. Worthy of a good five minute hate.
Your argument is kinda of shitty and pathetic.
I find the compassionate restorative justice leftists here to be kinda of shitty and pathetic.
No not as much. Most stockers would have no idea.
I would like compassionate restorative justice, but it’s hard when you just pick random shit like this to argue about.
A stocker doesn’t know, not all grocery stores are harvesting data and they have no control.
A Facebook employee fixing a bug is building a better bomb and they know it.
Don’t be dense.
You notice how many interesting loopholes you’re leaving?
not all grocery stores are harvesting data
Just the ones that employ the vast majority of cashiers. I don’t think minimum wage earners should be damned by the left.
A Facebook employee fixing a bug is building a better bomb and they know it.
Or for knowing too much. Most people use AI and don’t like it. Guess we have to damn them too for their consciences.
Don’t be dense.
Don’t be so horny for retribution.
So I shouldn’t be rude to the person who’s using AI regardless of the fact they know what the impacts of using it are?
Zahille7, that’s an entirely different sentence. It has nothing to do with the complainer I replied to.
If you want to talk about this different topic, though, I guess you have a ton of people to hate.
Just stop.
Zahille7, do you understand you shifted the goalposts hard? But now that you did, tell me how many random employees you are entitled to wokely harass?
Since you have a computer yet engage in “knowing better” yourself, are you a target for your fellow lefties?
You’re the one who’s deleting comments and leaving new ones, just so I keep getting notifications, thereby harassing me.
Zahille7, aren’t you the one that said people deserve harassment? And aren’t you the one that says everyone is complicit? I know you’re only pretending to be offended, but why are you performatively acting like such a hypocrite here?
I’m learning so much about leftism.
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Wow. Fuck me for saying not to be nasty towards anyone who works for a restaurant. True class solidarity in these parts.
Holy false equivalency Batman!
And yet, nobody has come up with a valid response. The desire to purify the imperfect is strong around these parts… Maybe I just wandered into the part of Lemmy that’s full of temporarily embarrassed CEOs
I don’t want to live in a world where humans—employees or otherwise—are exploited for their training data.
Does anybody read the job description anymore?
They really drank the kool aid when zuckerfuck said he just wanted to connect people.
Yeah yeah, but surveillance is meant for everyone else, surely not for them. The safest place to be is inside the lion’s den innit.
Until it isn’t.
Nobody takes responsibility for the consequences of their work. It’s always, “well people need a job”
Fuck that
Also meta is all about exploiting people, not sure what did they expect joining it
Meta workers privacy invaded.
I do my best to have solidarity with the entire working class, but 👉👈
“I’m mixed on Al. On one hand, I really enjoy using it to write software. On the other hand, I’m really nervous about its impact on the world,” the engineer wrote in an internal forum for coders.
Yeah, that’s the catch isn’t it? On one hand, we’re ceding skills to oligarch-owned chat bots that are working day and night to create to neofeudal police state where their air conditioned bunkers can survive the climate apocalypse, but on the other hand, it makes your job slightly easier (until you’re inevitably laid off).
It’s a really tough spot to be in.
And I say “fuck em” until they actually change their stance and views. People might say “oh you need to be tolerant and patient and teach them the error of their ways,” but these are the people that know damn well the impact AI is having on literally everything but they’re still just going “whee! It makes my job easier for 5 minutes!”
So, fuck em.
Zahille7, I find it disturbing how you and several others relish the thought of siding with the Facebook CEO and against his workers, looking for literally any sin to attack them.
Of course he’s wrong about AI. So are a bunch of cashiers. You expressed the desire to go after them too.
I’m not “going after” anyone. Nor am I siding with any billionaire or CEO.
I’m specifically saying that these coders and other tech people who are deep in the know, continue to use AI regardless of the environmental and social impact; they’ve made their bed, and now they need to lie in it. I have no sympathy for them for saying “hey, I don’t like being surveilled at work, but it’s totally fine for others to do it.”
Zahille7, you’re making up something that nobody in the article said.
Yea, let’s get ride of computers all together. In fact, let’s destroy the loom too!
The Luddites made great strides for workers rights. I would be honored to be counted amongst their numbers.
Kind of like staking a claim through unionization works better… The technology is here to stay, it’s better to grab control of it before it railroads labor.
I’ll go get my sledgehammer.
I have some wooden shoes, will they do ?
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As this disappointingly seems to have gone through to slips:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabot_(shoe)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabotage#Etymology
“An alleged etymology [of sabotage] describes the actions of disgruntled workers who willfully damaged workplace machinery by throwing their sabots into the works”
Into looms…
Too advanced!
I think figuring out how to find solidarity across the working class is a guidepost to revolution.
It’s more than okay to admit that it’s challenging. Anything else is just untrue.
I do think the effort is worth it. I think uniting for a better world is the prize we win when we figure out how to construct a society that accommodates as much diversity of thought and lifestyle as our civilization contains.
So they feel that surveillance isn’t so great when it directly affects them? Poor ghouls, I’m going to cry for their plight in the next never.
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Fastest way to get employees to unionize!
Not a privacy invasion if it’s a laptop given by the company. Do not do personal tasks on a computer you don’t own, keep your personal devices and work devices seperate.
Not a privacy invasion if it’s a laptop given by the company.
This might not be an option open for everyone but you could be not working for a shitty company in the first place
Why is this man getting downvoted?? I’m not saying what META is doing is right…but to act surprised as an employee of META??? Like if I worked there I’d ASSUME they already were doing that without telling me, why the hell would you do private stuff on a device you do not own?? Whats next? We getting shocked when you get robbed in a area with a high crime rate?
The difference is between doing it secretly or in the open.
I assume I’m monitored on my work computer, but me and my company both know they aren’t supposed to.
When they admit it and make you look them in the eye and consent to it, that’s when the social contract unravels in a big way.
There’s a line from a great comedy in which an oligarch is berating his son for playing elaborate games to ruin the life of a schlub who once disrespected him, right after we see the oligarch at a party where people are shitting on glass coffee tables with prostitutes under them. The son says, “How is it any different from what you do?!?” And the dad says, in a posh Oxford accent, “The glass, son. The glass.”
Yea, she was asking for it wearing that and all… /s
I would expect privacy on a library computer, or an internet cafe, but a computer given by a company is dedicated to work and work only, unless specified explicitly otherwise (as in given fully as a gift). Letting people run unknown software on a company computer could lead to malware attacks and data breaches, so companies that give its employees computers will manage how they’re handled with an IT team.
Access to keystrokes and webcam are a large jump. If you’re worried about malware there’s a thing called an admin account that these employees don’t get access too. Tracking is not equal to protection.
This man works
This exactly. My company has a disclaimer everytime you log into a system to tell you as much. “there is not expectation of privacy”.
We don’t have the same level of keylogging and webcams access that they are talking about here. But I think most people would be surprised at the amount that we can see.
Beside the « personal tasks » or generally any personal data that might be processed locally by performing those - which are likely allowed to a certain extent by internal policies in large companies - the behaviour determination by keystroke / microphone / camera analysis is a privacy concern whatever data is involved.
It’s a level of surveillance that goes way to far. This is indeed a step too far.
