• School_Lunch@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    I struggle to find the points in your posts. Yes capitalism has a great many problems. I agree about doing something about it, but are you also suggesting democracy is bad?

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      3 months ago

      Liberal democracy isn’t democratic, and electoralism as a means of systemic change doesn’t work. Socialist democracy does work, and delivers far higher rates of approval and perceptions of democracy being effective.

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        3 months ago

        I think I agree with you, but your messaging could use some work. I feel like most people who aren’t already in the same groups as you might struggle with the terms you use. It might be simpler to say “capitalism corrupts democracy” because my original read of the post made it seem like its anti democracy.

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          3 months ago

          It’s not really that capitalism “corrupts” democracy, it’s that all states serve the ruling class, and the political formation reinforces that. Capitalist democracy is democracy for capitalists, dictatorship for workers. In a socialist state, the political power is held by the workers, it becomes democracy for the working class and dictatorship for capitalists, landlords, etc.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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        3 months ago

        I would argue the core issue is more fundamental. Liberalism holds the rights of private property as inviolable, thereby placing them beyond public debate. It’s a system that establishes an economic structure where the critical decisions over resources and labor are made by the few who own the means of production. Such an arrangement is irreconcilable with any meaningful definition of democracy.

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      3 months ago

      Bourgeios “democracy” isn’t actually a people’s democracy, even though its sold as one. Its really an oligarchy/aristocracy/capitalist dictatorship.

      We shouldn’t allow capitalists to define democracy as bourgeios parliamentarism, especially when that form of government works against the interests of the vast majority of people.

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          3 months ago

          Socialist / people’s democracy. It takes different forms in different countries, and many countries in the global south that are currently capitalist are starting on that socialist road.

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              3 months ago

              You’ll need to educate yourself on the history of socialist states yourself, I can’t do that for you.

              A good place to start is the PRC’s five dont’s, a list of things to avoid at all costs from bourgeois democracy.