My experience has been that genZ absolutely loves to mosh and crowd surf, even when the music or situation would not typically support these actions. Like, I’ve seen kids jumping off the stage over and over again in a small venue with like 75 people who are getting increasingly annoyed by it. I’ve seen them do the “red sea” mosh thing to chill indie songs.
Honestly I appreciate the enthusiasm, but the crowd surfing thing in particular gets super tedious in the aforementioned scenarios.
Not so sure about this one as it depends on both the genre and the band. I went to 3+ shows a month all through college and there was only dancing at probably 1/3 of them
And like every generation before you, instead of recognizing the natural differences from one generation to the next, you act like it’s some strange spectacle. Hey maybe dancing at concerts isn’t their culture. It’s that simple. It’s not wild, they’re not zombies, and who cares if they think dancing is cringe. Let them not dance. That’s their new normal, grandpa.
Dancing has been part of every human culture throughout all of history, though? It’s not like choosing skinny or baggy jeans. And it seems to be fear-based, not want-based.
Findigs of music instruments and depictions of rituals and movements from every era and inhabitated continent seems to verify it. Babies dancing before they are even able to walk without assistance seems to verify it.
No one is trying to force you personally or any one individual to dance. But we are allowed to wonder and/or worry at what has made one generation fear doing something that seems so innately human throughout evolution for millions of years.
Imagine being so learned about the diversity of the world and then using it to illustrate why people who differ from what you think is normal are some kind of sick.
I can’t believe you think anyone should take your argument seriously here. Adios.
Ah… I see you read some things into my texts that certainly weren’t there. I hope you’re in a better headspace and able to read me with more positive intent in the future.
I weep for those who feel their natural humanity eroded because oligarchs can’t stop smushing cameras into everything
There is a choice to not live this way, and to live a more true and grounded experience. That doesn’t involve surveillance state created by your classmates
The issue I see with that is that it defines “natural” in a way that is both useless, because it literally applies to anything in existence, and doesn’t fit the way people generally use it, that being something more like “how things are when they have not been significantly altered by people”. Under a more typical usage, human activity isn’t natural by definition, not because humans are special in some way but just because the term natural has been arbitrarily created to describe everything except that activity.
You just described exactly why it’s a useless word to throw out there when trying to make any kind of actually rational argument about human behavior. Every time someone stands up and says “natural” at this point we all already know that person does not understand nature and is likely appealing to something supernatural. So as soon as someone pulls out that tired old yarn they get ridicule from me. If they want to be taken seriously, they need to be honest with themselves and with everyone else about what they’re really about and what they really believe, not hide behind weasel-y language and pretenses of naturalism.
And I feel sorry for anyone in a position for you to teach them this nonsense. But shit in one hand and be sorry in the other and see which hand fills up first.
The kids care. Look up “zombie concert crowds” - the kids don’t want to be “cringe” so they won’t DANCE AT CONCERTS. It’s wild to see
Watching a video or two of the phenomenon made me feel funny in my stomach
My experience has been that genZ absolutely loves to mosh and crowd surf, even when the music or situation would not typically support these actions. Like, I’ve seen kids jumping off the stage over and over again in a small venue with like 75 people who are getting increasingly annoyed by it. I’ve seen them do the “red sea” mosh thing to chill indie songs.
Honestly I appreciate the enthusiasm, but the crowd surfing thing in particular gets super tedious in the aforementioned scenarios.
So I just tried looking up “zombie concert crowds” and can’t find anything remotely similar to what you were talking about.
Not so sure about this one as it depends on both the genre and the band. I went to 3+ shows a month all through college and there was only dancing at probably 1/3 of them
And like every generation before you, instead of recognizing the natural differences from one generation to the next, you act like it’s some strange spectacle. Hey maybe dancing at concerts isn’t their culture. It’s that simple. It’s not wild, they’re not zombies, and who cares if they think dancing is cringe. Let them not dance. That’s their new normal, grandpa.
Dancing has been part of every human culture throughout all of history, though? It’s not like choosing skinny or baggy jeans. And it seems to be fear-based, not want-based.
I think you’d have a very hard time verifying that.
And even if it were true, so what? That doesn’t mean everyone who’s born from then on has to dance too.
Findigs of music instruments and depictions of rituals and movements from every era and inhabitated continent seems to verify it. Babies dancing before they are even able to walk without assistance seems to verify it.
No one is trying to force you personally or any one individual to dance. But we are allowed to wonder and/or worry at what has made one generation fear doing something that seems so innately human throughout evolution for millions of years.
Imagine being so learned about the diversity of the world and then using it to illustrate why people who differ from what you think is normal are some kind of sick.
I can’t believe you think anyone should take your argument seriously here. Adios.
Ah… I see you read some things into my texts that certainly weren’t there. I hope you’re in a better headspace and able to read me with more positive intent in the future.
Ciao.
I weep for those who feel their natural humanity eroded because oligarchs can’t stop smushing cameras into everything
There is a choice to not live this way, and to live a more true and grounded experience. That doesn’t involve surveillance state created by your classmates
This is not normal
nAtUrAl HuMaNiTy lol
Literally everything humans do is natural, we are part of nature. There is nothing in existence that isn’t. You’re appealing to a null standard.
The issue I see with that is that it defines “natural” in a way that is both useless, because it literally applies to anything in existence, and doesn’t fit the way people generally use it, that being something more like “how things are when they have not been significantly altered by people”. Under a more typical usage, human activity isn’t natural by definition, not because humans are special in some way but just because the term natural has been arbitrarily created to describe everything except that activity.
You just described exactly why it’s a useless word to throw out there when trying to make any kind of actually rational argument about human behavior. Every time someone stands up and says “natural” at this point we all already know that person does not understand nature and is likely appealing to something supernatural. So as soon as someone pulls out that tired old yarn they get ridicule from me. If they want to be taken seriously, they need to be honest with themselves and with everyone else about what they’re really about and what they really believe, not hide behind weasel-y language and pretenses of naturalism.
I feel sorry for you
And I feel sorry for anyone in a position for you to teach them this nonsense. But shit in one hand and be sorry in the other and see which hand fills up first.