Or, ya know, make parents take responsibility for their own children and monitor what they are doing online. If you don’t want your kids seeing or participating in things online then don’t give them unfettered access to smart phones and computers!
I kind fo agree and kind of don’t. I agree in that parents should take accountability for their children. That said, social media has been shown to be addictive and kids are frequently ahead of their parents technologically. One thing that could help is an education campaign that teaches parents how to effectively monitor their kid’s online activity. Parents need some help figuring out what tools to use and how to use them I think.
You are correct and I’m a little upset at myself that I left out the fact that educating parents should be something we put money and effort into as well.
Good point. Kids know too much and get addicted too early. Adult know too little and can’t tell the difference between lies and reality. Everybody consumes way too much porn. That’s it, everybody put their phones in the garbage. No more Internet, everyone gets a landline, rotary dial, call on the other end does’t disconnect if you don’t hang yours up.
If they had better things to do they wouldn’t be jerkin it. It is not addictive. It is a modern capitalist society issue where the people that create the solution are the ones causing the problem. It is a enviromental issue.
I’m gonna stop you right there because you’re flirting dangerously close to Victorian prudishness with a modern spin. There is absolutely nothing new about non-reproductive sexual behavior and the practice is not limited to humans. We’ve found sexually explicit images in cave paintings, Mesopotamia, a lot in Greece & Rome (including homoerotica), and the Kama Sutra is about 2000yrs old. Humans, including adolescents, have been jerkin’ it for centuries before the invisible hand came along.
What has occurred is that the accessibility, volume, and content of pornography has expanded and changed. Where people might have previously spanked it and finished in a few minutes then gone on with their day, now they can delay gratification and spend hours gooning to a never ending supply of whatever form of visual stimulus they want, including content that was never even intended or attempted to be pornographic. The pornography itself is not addictive, the physiological and mental stimulation is. For some, there’s a need to explore and indulge riskier sexual behaviors and fetishes to achieve the rush they got previously. I was pretty excited when I saw my first nudie mag at 8, by the time I was 16 it wasn’t as exciting because by then internet porn had become accessible. But, had nudie mags remained my only option for such content, I would have continued to masturbate to nudie mags.
There’s also nothing inherently wrong with the idea of pornography, voyuerism, group play, sex toys, etc so long as all parties involved consent to the activity they’re engaging in. Humans like sex, they like masturbation, they like watching others perform it. Again, consent of all parties involved is the key factor. Truly understanding how to give and respect consent in what can be a high consequence interaction is why we set hard lines about age of consent and prohibit (or attempt to) minors from such activities, but also know that many are exploring and engaging in such behavior privately or with peers regardless. There’s a healthy, normal aspect to that because it’s human nature, and then there’s the dangerous side because porn of every sort lacks a lesson in consent, is often unrealistic/fantastical/deviant, and often treats the passive partner as an object for the pleasure of the active partner (typically women, but trans, “twink”, animals, and children are also depicted as such).
This is the danger of porn to malleable minds who are responding to the biology of sex drive but do not yet have the confidence/skill/capacity to build healthy relationships where they can build intimacy and eventually engage in sex with a willing, consenting partner. Some end up forgoing the effort to find a partner entirely and meet their need with porn, which is a sad and unhealthy avenue. Other take the lessons of objectification and violate the boundaries of other. And the worst make their most deviant, dangerous, and hurtful fantasies reality. Some would behave like that without having been exposed to porn, but I would argue that porn is having a strong influence on the spread and normalization of truly deviant fetishes, like beast/child/gore/rape.
The commodification of sex is older than capitalism, it was being bartered and traded since… since forever. What capitalism has done is make a normal human behavior a profitable vice. Adults embracing their sexuality, recording it, selling it for other adults to view is not problematic so long as everyone who made it consented to the acts recorded and consents to the recording being put out for consumption by strangers. The internet has created a platform where it’s impossible to tell if those criteria were met before the material became permanently available and globally distributed, as well is a bastion of anonymity that can be accessed by anyone of any age. You can try and put up guardrails but humans are just going to figure out a workaround if they are inclined to do so. Pandora’s box has been opened, and even if there is no money to be made people are going to view, share, and trade porn. If you shut the internet down people would revert to whatever media forms were available to do the same. Even if you magically erased all porn, people, including adolescents, would still masturbate. What might diminish is the frequency and amount of time they spend doing so as well as the cultivation of deviant fetishes and objectifying partners.
The people trying to create a “solution” aren’t doing so because they see that some forms of porn production and consumption is problematic, they see human sexuality as problematic. They’re not trying to steer how porn is produced and consumed into a healthy manner, they treat sexuality outside of their concept of divine purpose as deviant. Plus it’s a “rules for thee not me” attitude, especially when the people pushing it support one of the world’s most infamous and abusive deviants. The human need for sexual stimulation/release is like the human need to eat and drink. Capitalism didn’t invent it, it just exploits necessity.
I agree, letting parents do their job of parenting is the best way to deal with this. But the problem is that that’s very difficult, and they currently lack adequate tools.
The best method would be to make sure operating systems support parental controls that parents can set, and require websites to respect those settings (and browsers to support an API passthrough of the OS setting). That way there’s no need to do any age verification that sends sensitive data like ID or faces to third-parties with sketchy privacy policies.
Unfortunately, when moves were actually taken to implement this kind of solution, reactionaries pushed back and made sure it didn’t happen.
Some guy put a PR in to the Linux kernal and to systemd, IIRC. The community pushback was huge, despite it literally just being a field users could fill in themselves if they wanted.
I’m not sure if he ended up succeeding. IIRC last time I checked it was in systemd but not Linux, but that could have changed and I could be misremembering.
I think it was accepted in systemd. There was no commit in the kernel because such things are really don’t belong in the kernel.
But the law it was a response too is horrible. If any ‘app’, regardless of it including any unsafe content (or content at all really) must ask for this information from the OS. Otherwise the developer and/or controller (which can be whoever installed the app) is liable for thousands of dollars.
This only makes sense if you think the only ‘apps’ that exist are ones written by FAANG.
Combine both and demand parental controls for devices and services.
The isp is paid for by an adult that’s the only age check websites should need.
Parents should have easily accessible tools to mark a os or browser as used by a minor.
Or, ya know, make parents take responsibility for their own children and monitor what they are doing online. If you don’t want your kids seeing or participating in things online then don’t give them unfettered access to smart phones and computers!
I kind fo agree and kind of don’t. I agree in that parents should take accountability for their children. That said, social media has been shown to be addictive and kids are frequently ahead of their parents technologically. One thing that could help is an education campaign that teaches parents how to effectively monitor their kid’s online activity. Parents need some help figuring out what tools to use and how to use them I think.
You are correct and I’m a little upset at myself that I left out the fact that educating parents should be something we put money and effort into as well.
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Good point. Kids know too much and get addicted too early. Adult know too little and can’t tell the difference between lies and reality. Everybody consumes way too much porn. That’s it, everybody put their phones in the garbage. No more Internet, everyone gets a landline, rotary dial, call on the other end does’t disconnect if you don’t hang yours up.
If they had better things to do they wouldn’t be jerkin it. It is not addictive. It is a modern capitalist society issue where the people that create the solution are the ones causing the problem. It is a enviromental issue.
I’m gonna stop you right there because you’re flirting dangerously close to Victorian prudishness with a modern spin. There is absolutely nothing new about non-reproductive sexual behavior and the practice is not limited to humans. We’ve found sexually explicit images in cave paintings, Mesopotamia, a lot in Greece & Rome (including homoerotica), and the Kama Sutra is about 2000yrs old. Humans, including adolescents, have been jerkin’ it for centuries before the invisible hand came along.
What has occurred is that the accessibility, volume, and content of pornography has expanded and changed. Where people might have previously spanked it and finished in a few minutes then gone on with their day, now they can delay gratification and spend hours gooning to a never ending supply of whatever form of visual stimulus they want, including content that was never even intended or attempted to be pornographic. The pornography itself is not addictive, the physiological and mental stimulation is. For some, there’s a need to explore and indulge riskier sexual behaviors and fetishes to achieve the rush they got previously. I was pretty excited when I saw my first nudie mag at 8, by the time I was 16 it wasn’t as exciting because by then internet porn had become accessible. But, had nudie mags remained my only option for such content, I would have continued to masturbate to nudie mags.
There’s also nothing inherently wrong with the idea of pornography, voyuerism, group play, sex toys, etc so long as all parties involved consent to the activity they’re engaging in. Humans like sex, they like masturbation, they like watching others perform it. Again, consent of all parties involved is the key factor. Truly understanding how to give and respect consent in what can be a high consequence interaction is why we set hard lines about age of consent and prohibit (or attempt to) minors from such activities, but also know that many are exploring and engaging in such behavior privately or with peers regardless. There’s a healthy, normal aspect to that because it’s human nature, and then there’s the dangerous side because porn of every sort lacks a lesson in consent, is often unrealistic/fantastical/deviant, and often treats the passive partner as an object for the pleasure of the active partner (typically women, but trans, “twink”, animals, and children are also depicted as such).
This is the danger of porn to malleable minds who are responding to the biology of sex drive but do not yet have the confidence/skill/capacity to build healthy relationships where they can build intimacy and eventually engage in sex with a willing, consenting partner. Some end up forgoing the effort to find a partner entirely and meet their need with porn, which is a sad and unhealthy avenue. Other take the lessons of objectification and violate the boundaries of other. And the worst make their most deviant, dangerous, and hurtful fantasies reality. Some would behave like that without having been exposed to porn, but I would argue that porn is having a strong influence on the spread and normalization of truly deviant fetishes, like beast/child/gore/rape.
The commodification of sex is older than capitalism, it was being bartered and traded since… since forever. What capitalism has done is make a normal human behavior a profitable vice. Adults embracing their sexuality, recording it, selling it for other adults to view is not problematic so long as everyone who made it consented to the acts recorded and consents to the recording being put out for consumption by strangers. The internet has created a platform where it’s impossible to tell if those criteria were met before the material became permanently available and globally distributed, as well is a bastion of anonymity that can be accessed by anyone of any age. You can try and put up guardrails but humans are just going to figure out a workaround if they are inclined to do so. Pandora’s box has been opened, and even if there is no money to be made people are going to view, share, and trade porn. If you shut the internet down people would revert to whatever media forms were available to do the same. Even if you magically erased all porn, people, including adolescents, would still masturbate. What might diminish is the frequency and amount of time they spend doing so as well as the cultivation of deviant fetishes and objectifying partners.
The people trying to create a “solution” aren’t doing so because they see that some forms of porn production and consumption is problematic, they see human sexuality as problematic. They’re not trying to steer how porn is produced and consumed into a healthy manner, they treat sexuality outside of their concept of divine purpose as deviant. Plus it’s a “rules for thee not me” attitude, especially when the people pushing it support one of the world’s most infamous and abusive deviants. The human need for sexual stimulation/release is like the human need to eat and drink. Capitalism didn’t invent it, it just exploits necessity.
I agree, letting parents do their job of parenting is the best way to deal with this. But the problem is that that’s very difficult, and they currently lack adequate tools.
The best method would be to make sure operating systems support parental controls that parents can set, and require websites to respect those settings (and browsers to support an API passthrough of the OS setting). That way there’s no need to do any age verification that sends sensitive data like ID or faces to third-parties with sketchy privacy policies.
Unfortunately, when moves were actually taken to implement this kind of solution, reactionaries pushed back and made sure it didn’t happen.
Which move are you referring to? Because most of them include far more than that.
Some guy put a PR in to the Linux kernal and to systemd, IIRC. The community pushback was huge, despite it literally just being a field users could fill in themselves if they wanted.
I’m not sure if he ended up succeeding. IIRC last time I checked it was in systemd but not Linux, but that could have changed and I could be misremembering.
I think it was accepted in systemd. There was no commit in the kernel because such things are really don’t belong in the kernel.
But the law it was a response too is horrible. If any ‘app’, regardless of it including any unsafe content (or content at all really) must ask for this information from the OS. Otherwise the developer and/or controller (which can be whoever installed the app) is liable for thousands of dollars.
This only makes sense if you think the only ‘apps’ that exist are ones written by FAANG.
Combine both and demand parental controls for devices and services. The isp is paid for by an adult that’s the only age check websites should need. Parents should have easily accessible tools to mark a os or browser as used by a minor.
Wifi/router side parental controls are laughably easy to get around