Sheesh I hate it when Americans are like “you have no idea”.
Yes, we do. We have the internet here as well and you can’t really avoid hearing about American shit.
Why would you think I don’t know what a tax-haven when I specifically mentioned that any “proper” billionaires can get around paying even the 30%. And that’s private citizens. Google is equally a tax-avoiding scumbag company for us Nordics as it is for you. There’s just so many laws the extremely wealthy corps and individuals can use to avoid paying anything. Google’s tax rate is literally zero.
We do let people die of starvation and to the elements
Yes, we know. Hence me explicitly mentioning we don’t?
Lately, we’ve been criminalizing homelessness
And that’s clear here as well, despite there being very few homeless and practically none of them live on the street. For some 9 months at least it’s mostly too cold to sleep outside. Yet the silly hostile architecture for benches and whatnot has pervaded into the Nordics as well.
We don’t need it, but they’re still there. So there are people here working on getting rid of even the most basic securities that allow us to function like this. Also, I’m on the same latitude as Juneau, Alaska, about. And I’m in the very SW corner of Finland, on the level of Stockholm.
Does Alaska have a large homeless population? I doubt anything like in the States where the winters are milder?
People get arrested and charged for feeding the homeless in some places
I’ve seen the videos. You’re still pretending as if we don’t have selfish people here who would rather just kill all the poor. You at least have people who care and help others. Here in the Nordics, due to there being a system people can point to, personal responsibility for anyone doing badly is extremely small. People are apathetic and just default to “the system should be helping them.”
Hell, when I was properly suicidal, my mom literally just went “well what do you want me to do about it” and called the social workers with a care notice or something. The funny bit being that she is a social worker with higher education. What could she do? Idk, give me a ring sometime, or come to visit so I don’t feel as bad. But no. People just default to “the bureaucracy will help them, the bureaucracy is infallible”.
I’d kill for a system as imperfect as the one you take for granted
Except you’ve very clearly demonstrated that your assumed version of our system is pure fantasy.
There’s a reason we’re quite high in the suicide stats. Because we’re definitely not even close to being “the happiest country in the world”. I don’t ever remember my grandma laughing. She died cold and alone, hallucinating basically dream paralysis demons. With not even a nurse who would’ve know her, because the care home was being run down and there were just random nurses for a few shifts and then new ones again.
So I implore you, don’t put the Nordics on a fucking pedestal. Dismissing the problems we have, pretending this is some Lintukoto.
Would you rather be in prison with a dozen of your best mates, or literally forever alone without even the possibility of emotions and if you talk about them, you’ll be shunned?
You probably think I’m exaggerating about all this, but I’m really not
Again, just because you don’t know things about the Nordics nor see our news does not mean we don’t see yours.
What’s the point of competing who has it worse? That’s literally whataboutism that’s just dismissing Nordic problems. And you’re not even Nordic. Trying to have this discussion with fellow Nords is very hard, because lots and lots literally won’t allow themselves even an inch of wrong-think.
Our police seem very skilled, don’t they? I never had problems with them, always good interactions. Then I got arrested for weed. They put me in an isolation cell for 3 days while denying me my prescription medication, the lights were on constantly and there wasn’t even a mattress to sleep on or a blanket. Just the cold ground. Was the cell prolly cleaner than average jail cells in the US? Probably.
But would I be able to sue the shit ouf of them for literally torturing me, breaking Geneva conventions? At one point they turned of my water for hours. I have a congenital kidney malformation and due to that slight inefficiency in left kidney so I must keep good hydration.
I drew over 300 words in my own blood on the walls.
In the US there’d be a queue of lawyers on my door for all the violations, and I’d be looking at tens of thousands to millions in compensation.
Here in Finland, I can’t literally even get people to accept it happened. The only one who does is my therapist and he was born and raised in the UK only moved here later in life.
So we really don’t have to compete which sort of horror is the worst.
In the US, I’d probably be on the streets or in prison. But after years of literal solitude and nothing else, I’d actually welcome it. My own fucking mother went “weeeelll, you know, I can’t actually now what happened in the cell” when I phoned her to cry about my injuries and the injustice of it all. She implied it was my own fault that the police tortured me. And that’s the most anyone’s spoken to me about it. Finns always decline and refute it at first, then when I produce some photos (I only have those because they claimed I vandalised the cell. We then asked for the security cam footage as evidence of the crime. Weirdly it was suddenly completely lost and the charges dropped.
I would rather get beaten up and kicked than do that again. But again, both suck, they’re just different. So what’s the point in competing who has it worse and by how much?
There’s clearly problems in both places. I’m not critical of everything in the Nordics, but nor am I critical of everything America either, despite having been actively arguing against your foreign policies and criticising you in general for a few decades online.
And don’t get me started on medical care… It’s literally worse than you could imagine. You wouldn’t believe me even if I sugar coated it
Do you think the free healthcare here is some superior quality? No. The best in classes go to private clinics, the worst end up in the public system. And the wait times are ridiculous. Some of the doctors have confidently said things that are just plain untrue. I could genuinely list 30+ years of bad experiences in the public healthcare system. Sure it’s not bankrupting me, but it’s also not doing jack shit for anything and genuinely gets like 80% of their guesses wrong when it’s even the least bit subjective. You wouldn’t believe half the shit I’ve heard from supposed “professionals”.
So again, every different, but neither is good, is it? So don’t think you’d “kill” to switch places with me, when I’ve spent a good deal of the past few years considering just killing myself.
I get what you’re saying, and I’m not comparing personal experiences at all, that sounds horrible. If I thought the Nordic countries were some kind paradise, I’d be working my ass off to get there. I get that the entire world is being worn down by the billionaires
But you still don’t get it… If you lived here, your worst 3 days is something common for people who fall through the cracks. There are people kept in similar conditions for months or years at a time. Including for just having a small amount of weed
And it’s legal to do this in a lot of places. It isn’t something they have to cover up, they might not even need to justify it with a reason.
Hell, lots of people take pride in the cruelty to “criminals”.
And you don’t understand our medical system… Our outcomes are terrible. Your unhelpful free healthcare has better outcomes than what we go into lifelong debt for
And your meds… Depending on what you need, it could be hundreds of dollars a month, sometimes even with insurance. Without it, there’s no upper limit, many drugs are in the thousands… You’d have to jump through hoops with the drug companies and hope they give you enough of a discount
So yeah… You probably would be dead. And if you weren’t, you’d be just as alone, and more battered by your experiences
I get why you feel otherwise. Part of me craves disaster, because at least then it would justify my suffering. At least then my struggles would be less abstract. It’s very normal to feel that way when you don’t have hope in the future
But if we’re talking about economic and legal systems, you can’t throw your hands up and say “every system has problems”. Obviously they do. But if you want hope, and to build political momentum, you have to convince people something better is possible. And perfect or not, the Nordic model exists
On a personal level, the best advice I can give you is to fight. Find an organization pushing for people falling through the cracks, and get involved with them in whatever way you can. Whether that results in change or not, being around others who believe in the same things and doing something about it builds hope
I know, I’m a bit sensitive when it comes to people telling me essentially “you haven’t tried hard enough.”
Anyway, the one childhood friend who was a man-kebab, that dude didn’t invite me to his wedding with a bitch who was equally or more an abuser of alcohol and they didn’t because was vocally for the legalisation of weed.
If you lived here, your worst 3 days is something common for people
Homelessness is common sure. But staying awake for three days while sober, shitting the eherloving shit out of yourself while eating your fingers until they literally bleed and then proceed to paint with your own blood for 70+ hours is… common in the US? And you don’t think that could be a bit offensive to me, dismissing literal torture I went through? (Sleep deprivation is torture, not to mention anything about closing off the water and not giving me my prescription meds.)
But hey, you’re not victimblaming, just dismissing it. So it’s still not as bad as literally every Finnish person I know.
But staying awake for three days while sober, shitting the eherloving shit out of yourself while eating your fingers until they literally bleed and then proceed to paint with your own blood for 70+ hours is… common in the US? And you don’t think that could be a bit offensive to me, dismissing literal torture I went through? (Sleep deprivation is torture, not to mention anything about closing off the water and not giving me my prescription meds.)
Yes that’s literally just something that happens to people. Yes, it’s definitionally torture… But it’s normal here. Normally, people paint the walls in shit, but blood is far from unheard of
But to pretend it’s “common” is taking the piss. Either your being extremely offensive or very ignorant. I can’t decide which.
But it’s normal here.
No it fucking isn’t. Nothing about that is normal. Sure, you can find examples of nastier shit going on in county jails, but to pretend like it’s “common” shows that you have absolutely no connection to actual criminals. Unlike me. (I’m a professional one, in case that wasn’t clear.)
It’s not even something most people are capable of. I have had a high BP since I was a kid due to a congenital kidney thing. (I had extra organs and then had to go through several major surgeries.) My pediatrician told me at 18 that I’ve the BP of an “80-year old woman”.
Most people will just fall asleep automatically after aome ~26-30 hours. People have a hard time staying up 72 hours even when theyre doing pharmaceutical grade stimulants.
My body is essentially just overclocked. And that’s why it crashes as well. I can’t get to sleep for days then eventually I might find myself on the bathroom floor on top of broken glass, or in an ambulance or at the ER.
But you, just like Finns, just have to actively dismiss anything I say, even though you’re having to say ridiculous, untrue shit like that.
The average person during an average night in a jail definitely doesn’t stay up all night, let alone three nights, let alone literally eating themselves. Have you ever tried biting yourself hard enough to draw blood?
No OF COURSE you haven’t, because it’s NOT COMMON OR NORMAL IN THE SLIGHTEST.
Are people locked in an isolated box without access to their medications? Yes.
We closed all the mental asylums and people who need help often end up in prison, and then they piss off guards and get locked in a solitary confinement
It’s normal not to mean it happens to a lot of people, but it’s basically always happening to someone. It’s normalized. The people don’t care. Occasionally a journalist will report on it or a politician will mention fixing the death rate of a prison, but it’s all just posturing
I had no trouble believing you, because it lines up with everything I know about the psychology of prisons. I’ve seen pictures like yours before, usually in English obviously
Do you not understand the gap between “no one believes it happened” and “no one cares enough to do anything about it”?
Jesus you’re stupid. I keep telling you you’re wrong, and why. Then you just pretend you didn’t hear it, that none of the inane silly bullshit you said was as inane as it actually was.
You understand significantly less than you think you do, and I understand significantly more than you’re even capable of understanding. You’ve shown that again and again and again, also while literally pretending like the experience I went through is something normal in the US. And you don’t base that off of ANYTHING other than your childish avoidance of admitting your ignorance.
I’ve seen this act literally thousands and thousands of time this will end with you spamming one liners and writing things like “oh you think I’m gonna read all that” while still pretending you understand better than I do, when pinä et suhu sedes uomeakaan.
Where were you when the second plane hit? What were you doing and thinking?
I’ve also kept it from the conversation this far to make you seem more ridiculous. Have you ever been to Finland? Have you ever even been in Europe, or even just out of the country?
Do you have Finnish relatives you’ve been mailing and seeing since you were a kid? No?
Have you ever been in prison?
Again no.
Time and time again you show your ignorance yet think it’s somehow better than my actual knowledge. This is why Trump won. You’re so easily misled by utterly shit rhetoric because you literally don’t even have literacy to understand the BS you’re spouting.
Remember that I’m choosing this language because *YOU" don’t speak any others. Hell, you’re probably not even functionally literate in English either, seems like.
Holy fuck you’re pretentious. And no, English is not my only language, I’m well traveled and I’ve lived abroad.
You. Don’t. Understand. America.
You know things lots of things about it. That isn’t the same thing. You’re not even very informed about life here, you’ve latched onto strange details from media and totally missed the kind of sociological analysis you’d need to begin to compare it to life in Finland
America is an escapist fantasy for you, it’s a place where you lived a different life, where you were recognized as extra special and your childhood wasn’t painful
It’s not a real place to you. It’s an emotion
You’re just like those weeaboos who move to Japan thinking it would be like an anime
I haven’t claimed that you don’t speak but a single language. I implied as much, and you got all bent out of shape that you know more languages. Again comparing, when the comparison is not even remotely close.
I imagine, (and again, imagining something doesn’t mean asserting it) that your second language skills are comparable to my Swedish or German. That is I can do customer service in Swedish but not hold a long conversation, and could perhaps order for myself in German, but not actually work with the language.
But I speak English fluently. Hell, arguably better than my native language. I for sure have a wider vocabulary in English, as that’s just the nature of the language, as English has more than a million words but Finnish some 100 000 and my English vocabulary exceeds 100k as per the test I previously mentioned.
You keep saying I don’t understand, but not accepting or admitting what you fail to understand.
You’re not even very informed about life here
Again, pulling shit out of your arse, just because.
Just because you don’t like admitting that you might have a poorer understanding than someone else. I may be wrong, but i would bet my left testicle that we could get tested by clinical psychologists and linguists and I have a wider understanding of US and English (+my native language and knowledge) than you do of the US and English against any given other country.
Where have you lived for, how long, what language do you speak as fluently as English? (Although your reading comprehension in English could use a bit of improving.)
So, based on *what" exactly do you think I’m not very informed? Specifically, that is?
onto strange details
See this is what I meant with your literacy. I speak your naive language better than you, lol, and you can’t accept I can understand the basics of the secret society that is 'Murica.
detail
/ˈdiːteɪl/
noun
1.
an individual fact or item.
I’ve literally prattled on a list about the general and largest problems in the US. Literally the opposite of “details”.
America is an escapist fantasy for you,
I wouldn’t fucking set foot in the US even if you paid me ten thousand dollars. Literally. I would not. I wouldn’t risk it. A million or a couple and we’re talking.
Just because I understand things which are better in the US doesn’t mean I think the US is better to live in. I’ve kept this the whole time, yet you keep insisting “you don’t understand”, when you can’t point to anything in detail which I don’t understand and whilst constantly telling you I’ve been extremely critical of the US for the past 25 years.
Speaking of… you still haven’t answered where you were on 9/11? I’d argue if you can’t even remember that, you can’t understand America. /s
I don’t actually argue that. But I definitely could if I were to argue as badly as you. Because betting that you’re under, idk, 30 isn’t really a huge bet. I accept I can be completely wrong and you’ve just ignored on accident, but it’s also likely you’re in your twenties and literally we’re a baby/didn’t exist when 9/11 happened. But I won’t. Since it’d be silly of me to assert what you know or don’t.
You’ll notice I still haven’t even asserted you don’t understand Finland properly. I’ve said I imagine you don’t, and that you clearly don’t understand that you don’t understand that I do understand. You can’t possibly understand what I understand or not. Just like I can’t understand what you understand completely either, as reading minds isn’t a thing. You can assume thoughts though. You haven’t. You just keep screeching “you don’t understand” without being able to point to the “details” you pretend I “latch onto”.
Your image of Finland is much more of a fantasy than my idea of the US, thats clear enough.
It’s getting to the bit where you’re gonna get so mad that deluding yourself won’t work anymore.
Sheesh I hate it when Americans are like “you have no idea”.
Yes, we do. We have the internet here as well and you can’t really avoid hearing about American shit.
Why would you think I don’t know what a tax-haven when I specifically mentioned that any “proper” billionaires can get around paying even the 30%. And that’s private citizens. Google is equally a tax-avoiding scumbag company for us Nordics as it is for you. There’s just so many laws the extremely wealthy corps and individuals can use to avoid paying anything. Google’s tax rate is literally zero.
Yes, we know. Hence me explicitly mentioning we don’t?
And that’s clear here as well, despite there being very few homeless and practically none of them live on the street. For some 9 months at least it’s mostly too cold to sleep outside. Yet the silly hostile architecture for benches and whatnot has pervaded into the Nordics as well.
We don’t need it, but they’re still there. So there are people here working on getting rid of even the most basic securities that allow us to function like this. Also, I’m on the same latitude as Juneau, Alaska, about. And I’m in the very SW corner of Finland, on the level of Stockholm.
Does Alaska have a large homeless population? I doubt anything like in the States where the winters are milder?
I’ve seen the videos. You’re still pretending as if we don’t have selfish people here who would rather just kill all the poor. You at least have people who care and help others. Here in the Nordics, due to there being a system people can point to, personal responsibility for anyone doing badly is extremely small. People are apathetic and just default to “the system should be helping them.”
Hell, when I was properly suicidal, my mom literally just went “well what do you want me to do about it” and called the social workers with a care notice or something. The funny bit being that she is a social worker with higher education. What could she do? Idk, give me a ring sometime, or come to visit so I don’t feel as bad. But no. People just default to “the bureaucracy will help them, the bureaucracy is infallible”.
Except you’ve very clearly demonstrated that your assumed version of our system is pure fantasy.
There’s a reason we’re quite high in the suicide stats. Because we’re definitely not even close to being “the happiest country in the world”. I don’t ever remember my grandma laughing. She died cold and alone, hallucinating basically dream paralysis demons. With not even a nurse who would’ve know her, because the care home was being run down and there were just random nurses for a few shifts and then new ones again.
So I implore you, don’t put the Nordics on a fucking pedestal. Dismissing the problems we have, pretending this is some Lintukoto.
Would you rather be in prison with a dozen of your best mates, or literally forever alone without even the possibility of emotions and if you talk about them, you’ll be shunned?
Again, just because you don’t know things about the Nordics nor see our news does not mean we don’t see yours.
What’s the point of competing who has it worse? That’s literally whataboutism that’s just dismissing Nordic problems. And you’re not even Nordic. Trying to have this discussion with fellow Nords is very hard, because lots and lots literally won’t allow themselves even an inch of wrong-think.
Our police seem very skilled, don’t they? I never had problems with them, always good interactions. Then I got arrested for weed. They put me in an isolation cell for 3 days while denying me my prescription medication, the lights were on constantly and there wasn’t even a mattress to sleep on or a blanket. Just the cold ground. Was the cell prolly cleaner than average jail cells in the US? Probably.
But would I be able to sue the shit ouf of them for literally torturing me, breaking Geneva conventions? At one point they turned of my water for hours. I have a congenital kidney malformation and due to that slight inefficiency in left kidney so I must keep good hydration.
I drew over 300 words in my own blood on the walls.
In the US there’d be a queue of lawyers on my door for all the violations, and I’d be looking at tens of thousands to millions in compensation.
Here in Finland, I can’t literally even get people to accept it happened. The only one who does is my therapist and he was born and raised in the UK only moved here later in life.
So we really don’t have to compete which sort of horror is the worst.
In the US, I’d probably be on the streets or in prison. But after years of literal solitude and nothing else, I’d actually welcome it. My own fucking mother went “weeeelll, you know, I can’t actually now what happened in the cell” when I phoned her to cry about my injuries and the injustice of it all. She implied it was my own fault that the police tortured me. And that’s the most anyone’s spoken to me about it. Finns always decline and refute it at first, then when I produce some photos (I only have those because they claimed I vandalised the cell. We then asked for the security cam footage as evidence of the crime. Weirdly it was suddenly completely lost and the charges dropped.
I would rather get beaten up and kicked than do that again. But again, both suck, they’re just different. So what’s the point in competing who has it worse and by how much?
There’s clearly problems in both places. I’m not critical of everything in the Nordics, but nor am I critical of everything America either, despite having been actively arguing against your foreign policies and criticising you in general for a few decades online.
Do you think the free healthcare here is some superior quality? No. The best in classes go to private clinics, the worst end up in the public system. And the wait times are ridiculous. Some of the doctors have confidently said things that are just plain untrue. I could genuinely list 30+ years of bad experiences in the public healthcare system. Sure it’s not bankrupting me, but it’s also not doing jack shit for anything and genuinely gets like 80% of their guesses wrong when it’s even the least bit subjective. You wouldn’t believe half the shit I’ve heard from supposed “professionals”.
So again, every different, but neither is good, is it? So don’t think you’d “kill” to switch places with me, when I’ve spent a good deal of the past few years considering just killing myself.
I get what you’re saying, and I’m not comparing personal experiences at all, that sounds horrible. If I thought the Nordic countries were some kind paradise, I’d be working my ass off to get there. I get that the entire world is being worn down by the billionaires
But you still don’t get it… If you lived here, your worst 3 days is something common for people who fall through the cracks. There are people kept in similar conditions for months or years at a time. Including for just having a small amount of weed
And it’s legal to do this in a lot of places. It isn’t something they have to cover up, they might not even need to justify it with a reason.
Hell, lots of people take pride in the cruelty to “criminals”.
And you don’t understand our medical system… Our outcomes are terrible. Your unhelpful free healthcare has better outcomes than what we go into lifelong debt for
And your meds… Depending on what you need, it could be hundreds of dollars a month, sometimes even with insurance. Without it, there’s no upper limit, many drugs are in the thousands… You’d have to jump through hoops with the drug companies and hope they give you enough of a discount
So yeah… You probably would be dead. And if you weren’t, you’d be just as alone, and more battered by your experiences
I get why you feel otherwise. Part of me craves disaster, because at least then it would justify my suffering. At least then my struggles would be less abstract. It’s very normal to feel that way when you don’t have hope in the future
But if we’re talking about economic and legal systems, you can’t throw your hands up and say “every system has problems”. Obviously they do. But if you want hope, and to build political momentum, you have to convince people something better is possible. And perfect or not, the Nordic model exists
On a personal level, the best advice I can give you is to fight. Find an organization pushing for people falling through the cracks, and get involved with them in whatever way you can. Whether that results in change or not, being around others who believe in the same things and doing something about it builds hope
Oh wow quite a few broken thoughts there.
I know, I’m a bit sensitive when it comes to people telling me essentially “you haven’t tried hard enough.”
Anyway, the one childhood friend who was a man-kebab, that dude didn’t invite me to his wedding with a bitch who was equally or more an abuser of alcohol and they didn’t because was vocally for the legalisation of weed.
Homelessness is common sure. But staying awake for three days while sober, shitting the eherloving shit out of yourself while eating your fingers until they literally bleed and then proceed to paint with your own blood for 70+ hours is… common in the US? And you don’t think that could be a bit offensive to me, dismissing literal torture I went through? (Sleep deprivation is torture, not to mention anything about closing off the water and not giving me my prescription meds.)
But hey, you’re not victimblaming, just dismissing it. So it’s still not as bad as literally every Finnish person I know.
Yes that’s literally just something that happens to people. Yes, it’s definitionally torture… But it’s normal here. Normally, people paint the walls in shit, but blood is far from unheard of
Yeah in a country of hundreds of millions.
But to pretend it’s “common” is taking the piss. Either your being extremely offensive or very ignorant. I can’t decide which.
No it fucking isn’t. Nothing about that is normal. Sure, you can find examples of nastier shit going on in county jails, but to pretend like it’s “common” shows that you have absolutely no connection to actual criminals. Unlike me. (I’m a professional one, in case that wasn’t clear.)
It’s not even something most people are capable of. I have had a high BP since I was a kid due to a congenital kidney thing. (I had extra organs and then had to go through several major surgeries.) My pediatrician told me at 18 that I’ve the BP of an “80-year old woman”.
Most people will just fall asleep automatically after aome ~26-30 hours. People have a hard time staying up 72 hours even when theyre doing pharmaceutical grade stimulants.
My body is essentially just overclocked. And that’s why it crashes as well. I can’t get to sleep for days then eventually I might find myself on the bathroom floor on top of broken glass, or in an ambulance or at the ER.
But you, just like Finns, just have to actively dismiss anything I say, even though you’re having to say ridiculous, untrue shit like that.
The average person during an average night in a jail definitely doesn’t stay up all night, let alone three nights, let alone literally eating themselves. Have you ever tried biting yourself hard enough to draw blood?
No OF COURSE you haven’t, because it’s NOT COMMON OR NORMAL IN THE SLIGHTEST.
Are people locked in an isolated box without access to their medications? Yes.
We closed all the mental asylums and people who need help often end up in prison, and then they piss off guards and get locked in a solitary confinement
It’s normal not to mean it happens to a lot of people, but it’s basically always happening to someone. It’s normalized. The people don’t care. Occasionally a journalist will report on it or a politician will mention fixing the death rate of a prison, but it’s all just posturing
I had no trouble believing you, because it lines up with everything I know about the psychology of prisons. I’ve seen pictures like yours before, usually in English obviously
Do you not understand the gap between “no one believes it happened” and “no one cares enough to do anything about it”?
Jesus you’re stupid. I keep telling you you’re wrong, and why. Then you just pretend you didn’t hear it, that none of the inane silly bullshit you said was as inane as it actually was.
You understand significantly less than you think you do, and I understand significantly more than you’re even capable of understanding. You’ve shown that again and again and again, also while literally pretending like the experience I went through is something normal in the US. And you don’t base that off of ANYTHING other than your childish avoidance of admitting your ignorance.
I’ve seen this act literally thousands and thousands of time this will end with you spamming one liners and writing things like “oh you think I’m gonna read all that” while still pretending you understand better than I do, when pinä et suhu sedes uomeakaan.
Where were you when the second plane hit? What were you doing and thinking?
I’ve also kept it from the conversation this far to make you seem more ridiculous. Have you ever been to Finland? Have you ever even been in Europe, or even just out of the country?
Do you have Finnish relatives you’ve been mailing and seeing since you were a kid? No?
Have you ever been in prison?
Again no.
Time and time again you show your ignorance yet think it’s somehow better than my actual knowledge. This is why Trump won. You’re so easily misled by utterly shit rhetoric because you literally don’t even have literacy to understand the BS you’re spouting.
Remember that I’m choosing this language because *YOU" don’t speak any others. Hell, you’re probably not even functionally literate in English either, seems like.
Holy fuck you’re pretentious. And no, English is not my only language, I’m well traveled and I’ve lived abroad.
You. Don’t. Understand. America.
You know things lots of things about it. That isn’t the same thing. You’re not even very informed about life here, you’ve latched onto strange details from media and totally missed the kind of sociological analysis you’d need to begin to compare it to life in Finland
America is an escapist fantasy for you, it’s a place where you lived a different life, where you were recognized as extra special and your childhood wasn’t painful
It’s not a real place to you. It’s an emotion
You’re just like those weeaboos who move to Japan thinking it would be like an anime
I haven’t claimed that you don’t speak but a single language. I implied as much, and you got all bent out of shape that you know more languages. Again comparing, when the comparison is not even remotely close.
I imagine, (and again, imagining something doesn’t mean asserting it) that your second language skills are comparable to my Swedish or German. That is I can do customer service in Swedish but not hold a long conversation, and could perhaps order for myself in German, but not actually work with the language.
But I speak English fluently. Hell, arguably better than my native language. I for sure have a wider vocabulary in English, as that’s just the nature of the language, as English has more than a million words but Finnish some 100 000 and my English vocabulary exceeds 100k as per the test I previously mentioned.
You keep saying I don’t understand, but not accepting or admitting what you fail to understand.
Again, pulling shit out of your arse, just because.
Just because you don’t like admitting that you might have a poorer understanding than someone else. I may be wrong, but i would bet my left testicle that we could get tested by clinical psychologists and linguists and I have a wider understanding of US and English (+my native language and knowledge) than you do of the US and English against any given other country.
Where have you lived for, how long, what language do you speak as fluently as English? (Although your reading comprehension in English could use a bit of improving.)
So, based on *what" exactly do you think I’m not very informed? Specifically, that is?
See this is what I meant with your literacy. I speak your naive language better than you, lol, and you can’t accept I can understand the basics of the secret society that is 'Murica.
detail /ˈdiːteɪl/ noun
I’ve literally prattled on a list about the general and largest problems in the US. Literally the opposite of “details”.
I wouldn’t fucking set foot in the US even if you paid me ten thousand dollars. Literally. I would not. I wouldn’t risk it. A million or a couple and we’re talking.
Just because I understand things which are better in the US doesn’t mean I think the US is better to live in. I’ve kept this the whole time, yet you keep insisting “you don’t understand”, when you can’t point to anything in detail which I don’t understand and whilst constantly telling you I’ve been extremely critical of the US for the past 25 years.
Speaking of… you still haven’t answered where you were on 9/11? I’d argue if you can’t even remember that, you can’t understand America. /s
I don’t actually argue that. But I definitely could if I were to argue as badly as you. Because betting that you’re under, idk, 30 isn’t really a huge bet. I accept I can be completely wrong and you’ve just ignored on accident, but it’s also likely you’re in your twenties and literally we’re a baby/didn’t exist when 9/11 happened. But I won’t. Since it’d be silly of me to assert what you know or don’t.
You’ll notice I still haven’t even asserted you don’t understand Finland properly. I’ve said I imagine you don’t, and that you clearly don’t understand that you don’t understand that I do understand. You can’t possibly understand what I understand or not. Just like I can’t understand what you understand completely either, as reading minds isn’t a thing. You can assume thoughts though. You haven’t. You just keep screeching “you don’t understand” without being able to point to the “details” you pretend I “latch onto”.
Your image of Finland is much more of a fantasy than my idea of the US, thats clear enough.
It’s getting to the bit where you’re gonna get so mad that deluding yourself won’t work anymore.