• nexguy@lemmy.world
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    5 days ago

    No one said the US is doing anything perfectly. What about the incarceration rate in the Netherlands? Individual freedom is difficult and comes at a cost. Chinese citizend simply do not have all the freedoms others in the west have. They are not allowed to demand it wether they want it or not.

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      5 days ago

      Idk about netherlands but you’re trying to single out china versus the west and the largest western country is far less free than china. If you say European, sure, quite frankly I have no clue about Netherlands incarceration, I’ll take your word for it. But if you want to talk about “the west” you have to answer for how your theory applies to the single largest western country.

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        5 days ago

        How do you know this information? You can’t look it up on Wikipedia in China… that’s blocked. Oh, read about it in the associated press? BBC?.. nope. All blocked. Ignorance is bliss it seems.

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          2 days ago

          AP isn’t blocked here. But while in China, I can access anything that is blocked via VPN, like any chinese person. Its common enough a cop or security guy in Tianjin airport helped me install a hk-based esim via alipay that gets around the Great Firewall when I arrived the first time and couldn’t pull up my gmail.

          That said it is still a nuisance.

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              2 days ago

              Well that’s simply incorrect, here’s a screenshot of my desktop on wifi in Nanning, loading apnews.com.

              they allow everything.

              Hahah no they block so much, youtube, google, probably 80% of western media, just not apnews, despite AP news historically just being a state department mouthpiece peddling whichever lies for whatever war.

              They block stuff mostly to promote domestic media, but also to block foreign propaganda and stuff old folk deem immoral. Personally I think the Great Firewall was a necessary evil that xhs proved had largely outlived its use now that China is capable of producing counter-programming or just connecting Chinese users with real Americans to counter western propaganda, but now in the era of AI, who the fuck knows?